Oregon Let BiMart know how you feel.

[arakboss]

I'll buy that as long as they can't vote until they're 21 - better yet - 31. Do we really want The Hogg voting? I don't .

Look at the ages of the shooters in this list. Someone do some stats on it:
List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

NW Backpacker that is an exhaustive list, the most thorough I've seen. With out breaking it down completely it looks like the majority of school related firearms incidents have involved kids under 18, many seem to be in the 15 age range. I would be interested in a searchable breakdown by date, age and weapon type (handgun or long gun) and maybe death totals per incident. If you look at this list covering nearly 40 years of "Mass Shootings" the well over 21 crowd was responsible for the 90% of the incidents: US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones' investigation

Looking at either list demonstrates that the 18-20 age group is the persons we least have to worry about.

 

[2A-Jay]

I still shop Bimart for my powders and components, they have better prices on the powder I use, the cases and bullets as well. Plus they are an hour closer to me than the nearest Sportsman's. Olive on the Long Beach Peninsula and have go to Aberdeen just to go to Wally World. And though I can get bullets and sometimes cases at some Walmart stores. My nearest places for powders is Bimart or sportsman's

 

[SHPD_Retired]

Are they still collecting signatures? I realize it's largely symbolic but do you support it? Have you discussed it with your peers in the Sheriffs Dept, what do they think about? Thanks for your service to the community.

I believe they turned in the petitions already. I haven't heard if it qualified or not but I am hoping. I do not want to make a statement here for the Sheriffs' Office but many of the people that I talk to feel the same way I do.

 

[FireArm]

Its not the standard employee at Bimarts fault, its the corporate clowns that run the place while claiming its employee owned. If its truely employee owned they should let the employees vote on new policies that the sales floor employees will have to deal with. Great place to shop and great deals, the folks at the Molalla store dont agree with the policy but since multiple people are involved with ammo and firearms sales they cant just let it slide. But I do feel they should honor our younger generation of armed forces by letting people in the 18-20 age group with military ID to purchase whatever they want, even beer and cigarettes. They can go fight and die for this great country but cant buy beer and cigarettes? Military service members should be exempt from these type policies.

 

[JavaDude]

I have let Bi-Mart know how I feel about them since they decided they don't need us anymore and have followed up by not shopping with them anymore. I live in a small town where it is the only place to one stop shop which made it a great place to go especially since their prices are pretty reasonable. Having said that, I have been a dedicated buyer with them since they first opened their doors here in Oregon and would have continued to do so up until they totally disregarded us firearms owners. Our family would typically buy everything from sporting goods, food, household goods, pets supplies, holiday gifts as well as having our RX prescriptions filled with them. Our monthly spending with them would typical be about $1,000 or more counting prescriptions. I am sure our not shopping with them is only a drop in the bucket, but I can only hope that many, many more supporters of our cause are doing the same.

~ WWG1WGA ("Where we go one, we go all")

 

[arakboss]

I have let Bi-Mart know how I feel about them since they decided they don't need us anymore and have followed up by not shopping with them anymore. I live in a small town where it is the only place to one stop shop which made it a great place to go especially since their prices are pretty reasonable. Having said that, I have been a dedicated buyer with them since they first opened their doors here in Oregon and would have continued to do so up until they totally disregarded us firearms owners. Our family would typically buy everything from sporting goods, food, household goods, pets supplies, holiday gifts as well as having our RX prescriptions filled with them. Our monthly spending with them would typical be about $1,000 or more counting prescriptions. I am sure our not shopping with them is only a drop in the bucket, but I can only hope that many, many more supporters of our cause are doing the same.

~ WWG1WGA ("Where we go one, we go all")

I have spent thousands of dollars at BiMart over the last 25 years. Most all of the employees were very pleasant and I loved that they always answered the phone in person, no phone tree BS. But I am done with them for now unless corporate comes to their senses.

 

[JavaDude]

I have spent thousands of dollars at BiMart over the last 25 years. Most all of the employees were very pleasant and I loved that they always answered the phone in person, no phone tree BS. But I am done with them for now unless corporate comes to their senses.

I would agree that most of the their employees I have had contact with over the years have been friendly hard working people but can no longer support them if they are going to enforce policies that penalize law abiding shoppers. It is not even a case of Bi-Mart bowing down to the left's (socialist) pressure, it is a case of their VP agreeing with it that is most upsetting.

 

[arakboss]

I would agree that most of the their employees I have had contact with over the years have been friendly hard working people but can no longer support them if they are going to enforce policies that penalize law abiding shoppers. It is not even a case of Bi-Mart bowing down to the left's (socialist) pressure, it is a case of their VP agreeing with it that is most upsetting.

I agree with your sentiments

 

[ma96782]

NW Backpacker that is an exhaustive list, the most thorough I've seen. With out breaking it down completely it looks like the majority of school related firearms incidents have involved kids under 18, many seem to be in the 15 age range. I would be interested in a searchable breakdown by date, age and weapon type (handgun or long gun) and maybe death totals per incident. If you look at this list covering nearly 40 years of "Mass Shootings" the well over 21 crowd was responsible for the 90% of the incidents: US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones' investigation

Looking at either list demonstrates that the 18-20 age group is the persons we least have to worry about.

LOL.....did anyone ever take a look at how many of those mass murders/shooters were voting Dem (or of a similar sentiment)?

I once read an article......
But of course, it was too controversial to be widely dissimulated. Mass media being LEFT WINGERS and all that. Rrrright......it didn't serve the narrative.

Seems that the CDC should be asking which way I vote. Instead of having my doctor ask me about my guns in my home.

Aloha, Mark

 

[ma96782]

But I do feel they should honor our younger generation of armed forces by letting people in the 18-20 age group with military ID to purchase whatever they want, even beer and cigarettes. They can go fight and die for this great country but cant buy beer and cigarettes? Military service members should be exempt from these type policies.

IMHO, it's Un-American, to allow or dis-allow a RIGHT due to ones employment or lack of employment. Otherwise......we should/could dis-allow the non-taxpaying (aka: non-working) citizen to vote in an election.

And, that should also go for the exemption (in certain states) to posses a standard capacity magazine (aka: 30 round magazine) for LEOs (Govt., Military, etc...) only.

Aloha, Mark

 

[ma96782]

Nope.

We have reasonable limits on all rights.

The problem lays with.....

WHO decides what is "reasonable."

Should Hillary, Feinstein, Cuomo, Mother's Against Gun Violence, etc.... decide what's "reasonable?"

Then...,,
I see that you believe in the SCOTUS. However, I'd point out, that they have changed their position over the history of this nation. Examples: slavery, segregation, etc...

Don't worry......that's reasonable too.

I mean.....
That CHANGE, comes and goes.

So for those that want to "infringe" on my rights...... Why not just change the 2nd A? There is a way to legally do that.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Goosebrown]

The problem lays with.....

WHO decides what is "reasonable."

Should Hillary, Feinstein, Cuomo, Mother's Against Gun Violence, etc.... decide what's "reasonable?"

Then...,,
I see that you believe in the SCOTUS. However, I'd point out, that they have changed their position over the history of this nation. Examples: slavery, segregation, etc...

Don't worry......that's reasonable too.

I mean.....
That CHANGE, comes and goes.

So for those that want to "infringe" on my rights...... Why not just change the 2nd A? There is a way to legally do that.

Aloha, Mark

There have been about ten reversals of Supreme Court decisions in 225 years. Most, even Dred Scott, are still on the books but superseded by constitutional amendments. In DSs case the 13th and 14th amendments.

The only real way to overturn the SC is to pass an amendment. This is why our packing the court and getting more appointees is critical and far far more important than getting in a panty twist over restrictions that are constitutional.

Who decides what is reasonable? The judiciary and ultimately the Supreme Court. Federal laws are promulgated and enforced. Then someone is prosecuted and gaines standing to sue and that goes up the court system.

With the current make up of the Supreme Court we are likely to lose any case that makes it there. We need to replace Kennedy who is old and unreliable. Then we need to replace Thomas who is old. Then Ginsberg. If we get two of these, were golden.

Age limits are totally constitutional and have been tested. If the Feds do set the age limit to 21 no one would be able to win that in court. If they don't and Oregon tries to enforce it maybe that does run afoul of anti discrimination laws but they're capable of just writing their own exception and voting on that too.

 

[Goosebrown]

I agree that their only way to beat us is to change the second. A task that is totally impossible for them to do. The more we get them to work on that, the more they're smashing their heads on the wall.

 

[ma96782]

There have been about ten reversals of Supreme Court decisions in 225 years. Most, even Dred Scott, are still on the books but superseded by constitutional amendments. In DSs case the 13th and 14th amendments.

The only real way to overturn the SC is to pass an amendment. This is why our packing the court and getting more appointees is critical and far far more important than getting in a panty twist over restrictions that are constitutional.

Who decides what is reasonable? The judiciary and ultimately the Supreme Court. Federal laws are promulgated and enforced. Then someone is prosecuted and gaines standing to sue and that goes up the court system.

With the current make up of the Supreme Court we are likely to lose any case that makes it there. We need to replace Kennedy who is old and unreliable. Then we need to replace Thomas who is old. Then Ginsberg. If we get two of these, were golden.

It's not only about WHO is on the court.

It's also about getting the correct/right case for them to hear.

THEN.....
As you probably know......the SCOTUS has little interest in hearing a case about guns. They would rather hear cases about strippers, abortions and gays.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Goosebrown]

It's not only about WHO is on the court.

It's also about getting the correct/right case for them to hear.

THEN.....
As you probably know......the SCOTUS has little interest in hearing a case about guns. They would rather hear cases about strippers, abortions and gays.

Aloha, Mark

Getting the case there is no problem. Getting them to take the case is. That is why Kennedy needs to be replaced. He's the swing vote on guns and he's why they aren't taking more cases. On the other hand not taking a case doesn't affirm anything it simple leaves it as is good or bad. It can always get appealed to them again which is a lot different than a case coming back that they DID decide which in theory cannot happen because it's settled law.

The judicial system is our only hope. Voters won't support our rights because they don't like guns. We aren't going to change that. It's a numbers game at the ballot box and we're the minority because we're predominately an urban country and urbanites are less likely to support gun rights.

We win by keeping rural America republican so we get disproportionally more electoral votes than urban states.

We automatically lose mass, New York, Illinois, California, Oregon and Washington. Probably Florida. However we can keep enough states / electoral votes / senators to block any amendment changes.

When you retire think about Idaho or Nevada or Wyoming. We can do a lot of good by keeping them republican or tipping them our way.

 

[DaveLikesGuns]

I think 18 year olds are dumber than ever nowadays however I'm sure some of you guys are raising great, responsible teens who don't deserve to have their rights taken. For me it's not about what age Americans can be able to buy a gun its about out legal practices and our law makers being consistent.

Before this topic arose I thought it was messed up that someone who joined the military at 18 couldn't get a CHL until they were 21. Now it's getting even worse. An 18 year old is legally an adult. They can drive, rent a a home, join the army, get married and I see no reason why we should be inconsistent with giving them the rest of their rights. I say let them buy guns.

I also don't understand how someone who can join the military cannot buy alcohol. These laws don't solve problems. We are treating legal adults like children because we cant face other social/political problems in our country about how our young people are cognitively developing.

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

has anyone got a response from bimart?


i havent yet.

was just there today buying my draw tags for hunting. me and both my sons were there lookin at guns and the clerk there didnt even bat an eye (ones 4YO and ones 5 months but he was asleep the whole time) and even asked me if i wanted to set my 4YO on the counter so he could get a closer look.

its not the employees fault that corporate made a retarded descision. thats why i keep going there. i like the employees. i do however go there less and spend less money there now.


btw, both my sons have been gun owners their entire life.

my 4YO goes shooting with me all the time and does well with his 22lr. i started him out shooting 22shorts out of it and once he demonstrated he could be safe and follow instruction we moved up with the heavy stuff...22LR

 

[blacktailbucks]

Have you met the majority of 18-20 year old Kids these days?


Even well regarded psychologists agree they are not the same as when almost all of us grew up.

Yes, there are exceptions and they are outstanding - this includes those serving our country.

There is a reason most don't leave the home till their 30's now though.



Now, I don't agree with the restriction but can see the CYA mentality and protection from civil suits that most likely brought it on.





For me, Bi-Mart gets a pass because they are a locally owned PNW company and not a huge corporation.


That and they often have ammo well below what I can purchase at other places. Being in a financial slump for some years now gives me little option even if I did want to boycott the place.



I realize this is not in line with some people's situation or opinion but the question was asked so I thought I'd toss my opinion into the ring.

Have you met the majority of 18-20 year old Kids these days?


Even well regarded psychologists agree they are not the same as when almost all of us grew up.

Yes, there are exceptions and they are outstanding - this includes those serving our country.

There is a reason most don't leave the home till their 30's now though.



Now, I don't agree with the restriction but can see the CYA mentality and protection from civil suits that most likely brought it on.





For me, Bi-Mart gets a pass because they are a locally owned PNW company and not a huge corporation.


That and they often have ammo well below what I can purchase at other places. Being in a financial slump for some years now gives me little option even if I did want to boycott the place.



I realize this is not in line with some people's situation or opinion but the question was asked so I thought I'd toss my opinion into the ring.

The more responsibility we take from our kids the less they have, i see so many people who dont understand why their teenage kids and young adults are not responsible, i personally think it is because we keep saying wait until they older and they'll learn, when the truth is that most of what we do is based upon what we learned as children, including responsibility.

 

[Joe13]

The more responsibility we take from our kids the less they have, i see so many people who dont understand why their teenage kids and young adults are not responsible, i personally think it is because we keep saying wait until they older and they'll learn, when the truth is that most of what we do is based upon what we learned as children, including responsibility.

I don't disagree but times have changed.

Divorced parent? Your now the new normal.

1 parent working and 1 at home? Your the vast minority by a long shot.

Kids have more information thrown at them then they can process and retain with the internet. They are being wired to be able to find the answer and not just remember it.


My kids heading towards a neurology degree, runs volunteer meetings for teens, volunteers at clinics etc.

She also was only 1 of 21 out of 240 kids in her high school to complete an advanced program from start to finish with a graduating class of 600+.

That tells me, along with what I read and my own personal experience that 'kids' are kids a lot longer then the short couple of decades ago that I grew up in.

Some of these things need to change with the times and others don't. But a blank statement advocating that all kids are just as responsible as their peers is not something I agree with.

I have already stated I disagree with active military restrictions etc.

We are talking about the 'average' 18 year old and I just don't see a lot of shining example these days beyond the exceptional few.

 

[pathfinder49]

I included a link to the BiMart "leave us feedback" page. I only filled out the comment part and put in my name, bimart number, and email, everything else I left blank. I have been a customer at BiMart for 25 plus years. Now that they decided to violate Oregon's discrimination law ORS 659A.403 and their very own discrimination policy, I am done with them. I guess they decided getting a little positive publicity from the anti gun groups was worth loosing decade long relationships with customers. Not a sound business decision in my opinion but who am I to judge. Bi-Mart - Leave Us Feedback

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