Oregon Lawmakers to introduce gun storage bill in 2019

[BSG 75]

So the petition failed, showing that people don't want it, but it was introduced anyway? How's that work?

The petition didn't fail, they didn't have enough time to get enough signatures to get it on the 2018 ballot so they withdrew it. If no gun storage law is passed in this session they will put it on the 2020 ballot.

Stunningly idiotic, even by the low standards of the mentally challenged, emotionally unstable anti-freedom crew. And this one would be ripe for challenge under District of Columbia v. Heller (2008):

They aren't going to create a law that conflicts with Heller. They get around Heller by allowing you to have a functioning firearm on your person or immediately available such as in a biometric safe.

SECTION 1 .(1) A person who owns or possesses a firearm must secure the firearm with a trigger or cable lock engaged or in a locked container equipped with a tamper-resistant lock.
(2) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to a firearm carried by or under the control of the owner or possessor of the firearm.

The Washington DC law overturned by Heller did not have such exceptions.

After this law passes - and it will pass in a state with a Democratic supermajority in the Legislature and a Democratic governor - all you need are some of these $2 trigger locks in order to comply with the law Allen Trigger Lock Plastic Red 18511 - 026509185116 for use on guns that you aren't using for home or self defense.

 

[gruntjim]

I would think that going into homes, without a warrant, in search of unsecured firearms, would not be a popular move by law enforcement.

Nor would it be smart.

 

[Member 5605]

I can't wait until they introduce a pot smoking bill that says you cannot smoke pot anywhere in your house that's a public area. They can re-define the term 'Public Area' just like they did with cars.

Then I'd like to see an amendment to the bill that says you cannot smoke pot anywhere that's visible from an outside window "for the children" inside of your house.

Sounds about the same as what's going on now; the government telling you what you can and cannot do inside of your own home with your property.

 

[BSG 75]

I would think that going into homes, without a warrant, in search of unsecured firearms, would not be a popular move by law enforcement.

Nor would it be smart.

They aren't going to do that. But for example as in the case of the Clackamas mall shooting if an investigation finds that the gun used was an unsecured gun that was stolen from you then you would be charged with having an unsecured gun or guns.

This law and IP 44 are being pushed by relatives of the people who was killed at the Clackamas mall shooting. They are angry that the guy who let his unsecured gun get stolen by someone he knew (the shooter) couldn't be punished because there is no law requiring guns to be secured. They are on a mission and are being supported by the usual gun control groups.

I went to Salem in 2013 to testify against the proposed gun control laws and I saw one of those folks testify. Of course she was very emotional and Sen. Prozanski turned off the timer and let her talk for as long as she wanted to. I expect more of the same this time.

Earlier this year I went to a gun control debate/discussion hosted by The Oregonian and the other sponsor (he is also a relative of the other person killed at Clackamas) was there and I talked to him after the event. He's an engineer and claimed that studies have shown gun storage laws reduce "gun deaths". I asked to email me links to those studies and he did. I responded with a very long and detailed critique of those studies showing they were low quality and that they didn't really prove anything. He never replied back.

The law will probably also make it a crime to not report to police that your guns are stolen within a certain amount of time when you know or "should have known" they were stolen. These laws punish the victims of gun theft but not the gun thieves themselves, but unfortunately they are supported not only by people who don't own guns but also by many sanctimonious and self-righteous gun owners who say "I secure my guns when I'm not using them and any gun owner who doesn't do what I do is an idiot who deserves to be punished if their guns are stolen", so this punish the victims of gun theft bill will be passed next year.

 

[gruntjim]

I do believe it's going to go all the way to the Heller decision.

 

[Jonnyuma]

I would think that going into homes, without a warrant, in search of unsecured firearms, would not be a popular move by law enforcement.

Nor would it be smart.

They won't be doing that. "Storage" mandates are an annoyance law passed mostly for the optics of it... "We did this for you".
The enforcement aspect is going to be a low-numbers game carried out through attrition. It will have a statistically 0 effect on crime, accidents, or suicide, but it will add a reason for police to confiscate otherwise legal firearms (should they have some legitimate reason to enter your home*) and give prosecutors another low-level violation to drop in search of a plea bargain.

*For example: you have a house fire, a burglary, or have to call an ambulance to your home. Responding coppers happen to see an "unsecured" firearm and "probable cause" for a search is established. The result will be more stories of "arsenals" and "weapons caches" being seized complete with pictures of the perps' 5-10 guns, "high capacity" magazines, and 7 boxes of ammo... all seized by the fearless boys in blue while the homeowner sits there watching, bewildered at what is happening.

 

[BSG 75]

I do believe it's going to go all the way to the Heller decision.

This law is consistent with the Heller decision because it will allow people to keep loaded and functional firearms on their person, within their immediate control, or within a rapid-access locked container. The Washington DC law found to be unconstitutional by Heller didn't allow those things.

 

[nammac]

They need to pass a "Phone storage while driving Law" for these fool kids and adults texting while driving and maybe talking and not paying attention, if they really cared about children which, they don't . Funny how 1 guy with a slidefire stock shoots people and 300,000 of them sat quietly in safes doing nothing and now the ATF is banning them. The whole Political system is screwed up !

This is what happens when progressives and socialists are elected... Expect more of the same or worse, in the future.

 

[Jonnyuma]

This law is consistent with the Heller decision because it will allow people to keep loaded and functional firearms on their person, within their immediate control, or within a rapid-access locked container. The Washington DC law found to be unconstitutional by Heller didn't allow those things.

This is what Hillary falsely claimed she was referring to during the 2016 campaign. First she said she disagreed w the Heller decision. Then later, no doubt after someone told her that that was a stupid thing to say, she tried to walk it back by claiming that she was only talking about "access" (by children, of course) and "storage" issues. Low information voters and Fudds had no idea that the Heller case didn't even address those issues, therefore they weren't present in the decision.

My own personal opinion is that keeping my property, in this case firearms, stored inside my home or vehicle, represents safe storage. Stealing one would introduce a 3rd or 4th crime in the chain of events which would include Trespass, Burglary, Breaking and Entering, Destruction of Property, all manner of Malicious Mischief, and various other petty misdemeanors and possible felonies before the theft even takes place. Removing the weapon, destroying my carefully placed cable-lock, Posession of a Stolen Weapon, Unlawful Posession of a Weapon, Using a Firearm in the Commission of a Crime, and then whatever crime that follows... murder, assault, armed robbery, 941 transfer violations(!). All of those things take place to get to me, who was probably at work at the time, unknowingly earning money for bail, a lawyer, and repairs to my home caused by the break-in... and I'm liable for some junky's actions for 5 years?!
Anti gun-owner types lack not only a sense of humor, but self awareness and a sense of irony.

 

[Herb g]

This is what happens when progressives and socialists are elected... Expect more of the same or worse, in the future.

Finally ! One sentence out of all the hand-wringing ! You (D) gun owners can't keep sending your people to Salem and expect a different result. The platform of the D Party is Open Borders and Gun Control. They're a well oiled machine that sticks together like the pattern of a custom turkey choke, while you guys are the BB's from the pattern of barrel sawed off at 10". That all from me. Resume your hand-wringing.

 

[Jonnyuma]

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They're a well oiled machine that sticks together like the pattern of a custom turkey choke, while you guys are the BB's from the pattern of barrel sawed off at 10".

 

[Zathras]

I can't wait until they introduce a pot smoking bill that says you cannot smoke pot anywhere in your house that's a public area. They can re-define the term 'Public Area' just like they did with cars.

Then I'd like to see an amendment to the bill that says you cannot smoke pot anywhere that's visible from an outside window "for the children" inside of your house.

Sounds about the same as what's going on now; the government telling you what you can and cannot do inside of your own home with your property.

You mean like this? For just about anything you can dream up for a dumb policy, you can find that CA has at least tried it once or has it still existing on the books... all for others to emulate.

Smoking in HOAs: Conflict, Restrictions, & Liability | Educational Community for Homeowners (ECHO)

 

[BSG 75]

My own personal opinion is that keeping my property, in this case firearms, stored inside my home or vehicle, represents safe storage. Stealing one would introduce a 3rd or 4th crime in the chain of events which would include Trespass, Burglary, Breaking and Entering, Destruction of Property, all manner of Malicious Mischief, and various other petty misdemeanors and possible felonies before the theft even takes place.

I keep my home locked, I have dogs, an alarm system, and a gun safe. My guns are secured even when they are out of my safe. If I'm working on or cleaning my guns, and I leave the room to go to the bathroom, get something to eat, or talk to a family member, my guns are still secure. But if I did any of those things I would technically be breaking the gun storage law because the guns are not on my person, under my immediate control, or in a locked container.

They just keep creating new ways for otherwise law-abiding gun owners to break the law.

 

[3MTA3]

They attack our right to defend or lives and the lives of our loved ones while at the same time decriminalizing possession of heroin, cocaine, meth, and other drugs. They wage war on law abiding citizens while they champion criminals. How far with they get before the masses realize what's happening? Self defense falls, then will fall freedom of speech (already being discussed by mainstream D's), then comes all privacy. I guarantee by the time they figure it out it will be too late to stop the tyranny of the state.

 

[Zathras]

Can't count the times I saw people show up to pick up their gun at the gun stores in CA (after 10 days of course), only to be surprised they had to also buy a lock since their gun didn't come with one (or their lock didn't fit). Can't leave the store with your pistol uncased or unlocked. Many were the same people who, it being their first gun, bought it 'for home defense' and will subsequently never practice with it and never put the HP they bought to the test either.

Wonder if there are any studies of defensive 'attempts' that failed or were absolute non-starters because their guns were locked up and useless. Seems like it'd be hard to quantify, depending upon how much ends up in police reports around that factor. It'd be a useful argument against this stuff, but I don't see it happening. They always point to suicides and children, which are easier to visualize and paint into horrifying stories with ignorant voters.

 

[Zathras]

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They just keep creating new ways for otherwise law-abiding gun owners to break the law.

The overnight-unwitting-felon is indeed the whole goal. Even if there is not the wave of prosecutions (ie. see NY/CA and others for their failed history around enforcement), they have the ace up their sleeve to burn you if/when the time comes. These bills/laws are merely building up a toolbelt from which to draw. It's all the better (for them) that they *don't* have an obvious wave of prosecutions because it'd draw too much attention to the cases, court challenges, things being overturned, costing the state money, etc. Now they have the ability to say they are not 'coming for your guns... it is just safety/common-sense - why all the paranoia?!', all the while slowly eroding your average citizen's desire to be a new gun-owner due to all the restrictions, red-tape, etc.

It's a war of attrition, waged against the minds of Americans, to convince us that our Constitution is a 'living document', subject to whims and feelz of the mob. They've been waging this since the progressive movement, notably championed by Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Obama, etc. gained influence in America. And, I fear, sadly, they are winning.

 

[nammac]

The time is short, the tree of Liberty must be watered or wilt away...

Period...

 

[WoodsPlinker]

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

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[bbbass]

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