Washington Illegal to carry at someone's house w/out permission

[Jonnyuma]

I wish this law had been passed back when I was married.
Only substitute Jell-O salad for firearms.
And it only applies to my mother-in-law.

 

[Camelfilter]

While this law is BS, you already have the right to choose wether or not to allow firearms in your house.

As one should.

Yet completely different than making something illegal without advance permission, then going so far as removing ones rite due to said infraction.

 

[Koda]

boy the antis are really chipping away its not like its against the law for a homeowner to ask someone if they have a gun, all this is going to do is assure that a lot more guns are left unattended in vehicles.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Its my house...I already have the ability and willingness to say : You may enter...Or you need to go away.

And I do agree that if this bill passes its :
One step closer to banning all concealed carry
And having more unattended firearms in cars

When are law makers and no gun people going to understand the majority of gun owners are law abiding folks who want to harm no one.*
Hell just look at our forum ...
How many threads do we have on:
Concealed carry and all the ins and outs of doing so...
The best way to conceal carry without causing a fuss...
New to conceal carry any advice...

I could go on...but , the folks on our forum seem to go out of their way to be polite and knowledgeable about conceal carry...I would say that if this is any indicator of the average gun owner's outlook of concealed carry , then the bill in question...is useless , most of us here on the forum at least , are "policing ourselves " and making any "need" for bill , faint at best...and intrusive at worst.
Andy
* rhetorical question

 

[American123]

More garbage from our friends in the Washington State legislature, up for hearing in the Senate Committee on Law & Justice on Feb 1st.

Carry your firearm into someone else's house without explicit permission, and you will lose your license for five years and be charged with a misdemeanor.

SB 6415 - Requiring permission to bring a concealed firearm into another person's residence or dwelling place:


How long before they draft a new one that widens the scope to any private property (e.g. business)?

Please write your representatives as soon as possible: Washington State Legislature

There are a lot of really awful anti-gun bills on the table this year.

If for some reason I lost my concealed carry permit I would just OC everywhere instead. I give zero bubblegums. The only thing it would change is that I would have to unload it to get into the car and just keep a spare mag in my pocket and load it every time I got out of my car.

These politicians are just plain dumb. Walking around Seattle OC'ing isn't a common sight, but apparently they want it to be.

 

[The Heretic]

These politicians are just plain dumb. Walking around Seattle OC'ing isn't a common sight, but apparently they want it to be.

What they want is to persecute permit holders and gun owners.

Just like burying their heads in the sand with regards to passing a law prohibiting the state from preparing for nuclear war, they think this will make them safer. As has been shown, increasing gun laws only increases crime.

 

[Connor Murphy]

I find it extremely remarkable that the august elected liberal brain dead Commie traitor legislators idiots do not introduce equal legislation limiting the freedom of speech or religion or assembly or security also while visiting a private parties home without permission which is kinda a oxymoron by definition? Seems about as logical. Interesting writing style HB. Time for some more caffeine.

What is the recall process in WA?

Don't hold back, how do you really feel?

 

[Ownerus]

To repeat myself...

At this late date, NO ONE should be laboring under the delusion that ANY "gun control" laws have anything to do with trying to reduce actual crime. Crime is a profit center for government and their agencies. They don't want to reduce it. They DO however want more power. THAT is the purpose of ever more "laws". Any protests to the contrary are flat out lies.

Unless and until we recognize these people for who they really are (wannabe Tyrants), this nonsense will continue to expand.

 

[slimmer13]

"No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session."

Gideon J. Tucker

 

[The Heretic]

To repeat myself...

Unless and until we recognize these people for who they really are (wannabe Tyrants), this nonsense will continue to expand.

People want the tyranny - it makes them feel safer.

 

[nwslopoke]

As one should.

Yet completely different than making something illegal without advance permission, then going so far as removing ones rite due to said infraction.

Since they believe in signs so much, the law should read: This is a gun free house. No guns allowed.

The sign must be visible from the street and reflective. Why should burglars and home invaders have to get out of their cars for nothing? Heaven forbid they approach a gun owners home by mistake.

 

[bilge pump]

The legislators who proposed this are concealing bad ideas under their skull. Revocation of a CPL would be reported to NICS and immediately render the person as prohibited in the federal database. Process servers, off duty law enforcement, private investigators, would all require permission before entering the premises while carrying concealed. Obtaining permission from all persons in a residence, or a HOA board would be required when entering a group home or an apartment building with a main entryway. Obtaining permission from the husband, yet the wife objecting would create legal dilemma. Leftist agenda swiss cheese is a moldy place.

 

[The Heretic]

What are they going to do, put in metal detectors at every entrance connected to auto-dialers to the local constabulary?

I agree with bilge pump - they have an ulterior motive beyond 'security theater'. Either that or they are more stupid than I have given them credit for.

 

[4Freedom]

Sadly, this is an extreme adaptation to a law that is unfortunately enforced in many states, including red-blooded South Carolina. This law was one reason I decided against living in South Carolina, among a few other reasons. However, I don't know if you would be stripped of your 2nd Amendment rights in South Carolina and I am sure it is less vague than this insane Washingfornia adaptation of the law.

Anyhow, this is just another one of the insane and extreme fascist measures being pushed by the National Socialist Washington Workers Party (should I call them, NAWIS, instead of NAZIS? )

I am packing my bags and most likely moving to Tennessee (my choice as of now) in late Spring. My heart and sympathies goes with all the poeple in Washington state who will have to endure these tyrannical laws. Sadly, in 2020, when Democrats (cannot see how they will lose now) take over the entire White House and possibly Congress, with laws like this being passed in Washington state, it will be the first Nazi-like gestapo state. The Assault Gun licensing scheme, removing pre-emption, banning guns in private residences, mag bans, forcing all gun owners to unload their guns and put in safe, will effectively mean that Washington state may implement the first gun confiscation scheme in our nation. I doubt they will have the balls to do it with Republicans in the White House and Congress, but what happens when that changes?

I don't want to see the enduring chaos that will ensue. I will be watching whats happening in the Pacific Northwest from Tennessee, most likely and doing a lot of praying.

I will still be coming back, since I have family in Oregon, but I'll probably just need to leave my guns at home. Who knows how dangerous it will be even bringing a gun into the Pacific Northwest in the next few years with these crazy laws. Just imagine staying at a hotel with a "No Gun Rule", then getting busted and having your 2nd Amendment rights stripped from you which would also show up on federal records as being a weapons offender. It seems the Pacific Northwest will be one step away from being a Fascist-style controlled region.

 

[Boss]

If this were to pass, you'd better make sure you really, REALLY know who your friends are. Certain/most co-workers, ex's, and some family members etc. will probably have to be avoided or, as stated, the firearm left in the car.

Last time I checked, it was illegal to unlawfully murder, assault, threaten, etc. innocent people, which the VAST majority of law-abiding gun owners refrain from doing. So all these new proposals are doing is constantly 'expand' laws to ensnare those otherwise law-abiders by making their previously legal activities Unconstitutionally 'illegal.'
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As we all know, the gun-control groups who keep claiming just 'common sense' legislation really just want guns banned (otherwise, they wouldn't ignore all the data showing the places with the strictest gun laws have some of the worst violent crime), but they know that won't fly...yet...so rather than ban them, they'll just incrementally plan to make it so bothersome, and with so many potential hurdles, traps, and criminal missteps to owning them, and the resultant bankruptcy-causing litigation, that most folks will simply give up on them...'grandfathering' will be gone in a generation or two, and then well, no one but the property 'authorities' will have them. Be careful for what they wish for.

If they succeed in overturning pre-emption, with their noble-sounding 'restore local authority' pitch, there may be a lot of places that have to be avoided, because some mayor or handful of people on a council decide that your 'legal everywhere else' pistol isn't legal over some arbitrary line leading into town/county/etc. Or you may have to move, because your local 'experts' decided the guns you've legally owned for decades are now 'illegal' with the stroke of a pen.

It really is a disservice to the heritage of this country that the freedoms our forefathers/ancestors fought and died for are continually being vilified by folks scared of themselves in certain areas. It takes all their sacrifices, in many cases the ultimate, and basically says they were for nothing. It's a slap in the face.

I am hopeful that, as after the '94 AWB, and similar situations, legislators find out via their opponents' victories, they were incorrect in their position(s) on gun control. That's about the only thing gets their attention.

BOSS

 

[loofa]

I wonder if the bill has wording that requires a sign be clearly posted on their front door? Or, are they required to ask every guest invited into their home if they are packing? Maybe even the use of metal detectors? This is bat-$h*t silly.

 

[Camelfilter]

I wonder if the bill has wording that requires a sign be clearly posted on their front door? Or, are they required to ask every guest invited into their home if they are packing? Maybe even the use of metal detectors? This is bat-$h*t silly.

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Having it posted, or the property owner asking? I'm fine with that.*

It's the owners rite to allow whomever on there property, or not.

The issue with the law as initially put up in this thread. The concealed carrier would need to get express permission. That's a$$ backwards logic.

*in its current writ, in the state of Oregon. ie, has no legal weight other than inviting you to leave, if you are found out carrying. If you don't then leave, you may get trespassed. Even that does not hold much legal weight, other than not allowing you back onto said property. Holds no legal weight against ones concealed carry permit.

 

[4Freedom]

Having it posted, or the property owner asking? I'm fine with that.*

It's the owners rite to allow whomever on there property, or not.

Actually, that is exactly how the law works right now. If a property owner wants you off their property for any reason, you have to leave. If you refuse to leave you can be cited for trespasssing. However, this new draconian law will in fact strip you of your 2nd Amendment rights and possibly make it impossible for you to own or purchase a firearm ever again. All this, because you were in someone's house (or business, etc) and they suddenly decide they don't want guns there? This law is purely a means of stripping away the rights of gun owners.

Our fascist Washington state politicians understand all these points and are as smart as we are about it. They understand they are not protecting people or saving any lives with these ridiculous measures. The difference is that they have ulterior motives and their ultimate goal is to disarm and control us.

 

[Camelfilter]

Actually, that is exactly how the law works right now. If a property owner wants you off their property for any reason, you have to leave. If you refuse to leave you can be cited for trespasssing. However, this new draconian law will in fact strip you of your 2nd Amendment rights and possibly make it impossible for you to own or purchase a firearm ever again. All this, because you were in someone's house (or business, etc) and they suddenly decide they don't want guns there? This law is purely a means of stripping away the rights of gun owners.

Our fascist Washington state politicians understand all these points and are as smart as we are about it. They understand they are not protecting people or saving any lives with these ridiculous measures. The difference is that they have ulterior motives and their ultimate goal is to disarm and control us.

Yah I get it. Just posting that out to the other fellow, who doesn't seem to...

 

[Slobray]

boy the antis are really chipping away its not like its against the law for a homeowner to ask someone if they have a gun, all this is going to do is assure that a lot more guns are left unattended in vehicles.

It will not only have more people leaving firearms in vehicles, it will also stop people from visiting each others houses. At least in my case it will. If I know that someone's an anti and even possibly leaning that way, I won't go to their house, ever.

I guess that may be a problem for some with anti's in the family, but then again it might save some from an agonizing evening at the in-laws.......................


Ray