Ifish

[2dognite]

I am a active member at Ifish and think I will be for many years. I don't discuss politics or 2nd Amendment stuff. I think of it as a fishing forum and nothing else. I share stories and reports. We have plenty of bad eggs over there as well as many hollier than thou attitudes. I have been a member here for awhile now but I have not posted much and I have seen the same here. Every forum is the same.

2dognite

 

[ZigZagZeke]

UPDATED - 1/3/2013: As many ifish members already know, the AUP asks members to avoid certain topics that have proven over time to be divisive. These topics include the 2nd amendment, politics and religion among others. This is not new and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of the ifish staff. These are simply topics that are rarely discussed without lines eventually being crossed, names being called, feelings getting hurt and members alerting us to issues so we ask that they not be discussed here, again this is not new.

So, in other words, they don't like the 1st Amendment any better than they like the 2nd Amendment, and when their Liberal, tree hugging members bump their noses up against reality they go crying to mommy, who really doesn't want to be bothered. Reminds me of "Fahrenheit 451" where books were outlawed because when people read things they tended to get upset and unhappy, and unhappy people were too difficult to deal with.

 

[nehalemguy]

Caveman,

In spite of that notice, gun legislation topics do still occur on iFish and are generally allowed to proceed as long as they remain civil. Earlier this month there was a thread discussing HB3200 that that generated 245 individual replies and 7000+ views and it's probably safe to say that it resulted in far more letters and e-mails being sent being sent to our state Senators and Representatives than our own HB3200 thread here on NWF.

OR HB 3200 Gun Ban Bill - www.ifish.net

The moderation staff at iFish are all volunteers. I can't say that I blame them when they decide to limit certain topics, especially considering that their membership is 40,000+ and includes the full range of participants from ultra tree kissing libtards to wacko right wing conspiracy nuts. Let's be honest; the two don't always play well together in the anonymity of the internet so it's understandable that the moderators would try to limit the opportunity for a train wreck.

For myself, I have contributed over 3000 posts to iFish. It was another iFish member that directed me to this forum. I have met some great folks over there that are just as pro 2A and pro hunting as any on here. Personally I like engaging those on iFish who take contrary views.

iFish is it's own animal. It's not Bloody Decks, it's not Northwest Firearms. It is what it is and no one is required to participate if they do not like it.

E

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

I dont like jumping on these type threads, but that is one messed up group... those salmonoids and forum I can do without....they are a like minded people.... they all have the same boats, same clothes, same fishing spots,same disrespectful attitudes

I have had my posting rights taken away from that site..because I live in Oregon but was inquiring about a gun for sale in washington....I didnt even get the opportunity to say I was willing to FFL the darn thing .......simply an inquiry got me slammed by the administrators
for Illegal activity (attempting to Face to face buy an out of state gun)....WTF? I havent even seen the gun or talked to the seller, just a simple question about the gun

It didnt bother me, as NONE of the members there, even the save the salmon crowd, really care about saving the runs... they are only interested in back biting each other in who is getting the bigger share and complaining the govt shut the seasons down before the fish arrived or there is no more fish to catch....but they refuse to stop the fishing pressure on dwindling runs....those greedy clowns actually pull guns on each other while fishing, over "your trolling too close to me"....I realize when I say they ALL are the same, there is an exception to the rule but I live in front of one of the run sites and see all the drama play out from the sofa...so I see it all
I must digress so I dont get started on how ignorant & disrespectful the salmonoids are that hang on that site as they illegally blast past my docks and boats, causing property damage every year

 

[RVTECH]

those greedy clowns actually pull guns on each other while fishing, over "your trolling too close to me"

Uh, wouldn't that be illegal? I mean even for salmoniods?

 

[Oregonhunter5]

It's kinda strange. I mean I know we enjoy these sites and all. But hot damn, if someon has 40,000 post, how much outdoor life style do they really have? Also, there are a lot of great crazies on this site, that are more the Alex jones belief. I'm I, not totally. But, I'm much more comfortable bsing with a crazy almost militia type, versus a uniformed, treehugging, catch and release, pers supporting socialist.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

It's kinda strange. I mean I know we enjoy these sites and all. But hot damn, if someon has 40,000 post, how much outdoor life style do they really have? Also, there are a lot of great crazies on this site, that are more the Alex jones belief. I'm I, not totally. But, I'm much more comfortable bsing with a crazy almost militia type, versus a uniformed, treehugging, catch and release, pers supporting socialist.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Then there's the whole removal of the dams on the lower Snake River thing. I tried to persuade using logic why removing the dams would be of little or no benefit to the fish vurses how it would change life for humans in eastern Washington and Oregon. But got shot down. Jenny went on to post an article by a left winged loon who pointed out how human have diven the Snake River salmon and steel head runs to the point of extinction. I'm not going to get into it here, but a quick google search showed the article and the author were full of complete BS.

It's easy to shoot down the economics of dam removal. Here's an article on the Klammath Basin dam removal project:

Energy Policy Update: Klamath basin dam removal

The Draft Klamath Dam Removal Overview Report for the Secretary of the Interior (333 page PDF) bills itself as an assessment of scientific and technical information about the proposal. The report found that dam removal would cost between $238 million and $493 million, with $292 million as the most likely cost. Notably, these estimates are well below the amount previously projected for dam removal. Dam removal would release sediment that could kill salmon in the short term, but the agency found that dam removal would create more habitat and could increase adult chinook salmon production by about 83 percent.

If the dams are to be removed, Congress will have to authorize their removal. Together, the dams can produce up to 163 megawatts of power, and produce about 716,800 megawatt-hours per year. While this is relatively small compared to national demand for electricity, existing hydroelectric generation is relatively low-cost compared to alternative sources of power. Existing hydro also is generally viewed as emissions-free and relatively benign from an environmental perspective, especially compared to fossil fuel resources like coal and oil. Nevertheless, the draft report suggests that the benefits of removal will exceed retaining the dams in place by a factor of between 9 and 48.

I recently retired after 32 years in the power generation industry. The actual removal cost of $292 million that they cite is just the down payment. That 163 megawatts of generating capacity is base load, meaning it runs first when power is needed because it's low cost (about $5.00 per megawatt hour), so it tends to run at full capacity when it's available. The replacement power, if it's renewable generation, like wind or solar (and after all, that's the point of this whole exercise) runs about $120 per megawatt hour. In the course of 24 hours, those dams would produce 3,912 megawatt hours of power. The difference in the cost of generation of that 3,912 megawatt hours would rise from $19,560.00 per day to $469,440.00 per day. That's a cost difference of $449,880.00 per day.

Now for purposes of estimation let's say those dams generate at full capacity 150 days a year and sit idle when there's not much water in the river. The cost difference of $449,880.00 per day multiplied by 150 days a year works out to $67,482,000 per year. That means the ongoing cost of removing the dams is roughly $67.5 million per year for the foreseeable future, which will be passed on to the electric utility's customers. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere. I wonder why?

 

[Modeler]

I left ifish a little over a year ago. The first straw was when I got 10 infraction points (or some such) for posting "@$$hole" as part of a response. I got in trouble for intentionally bypassing the filters, even though I didn't even know there was a filter.

Second (and last) straw was when someone posted a firearms question in the "hunting" section. The question really didn't have anything to do with hunting, and I knew the OP would get a much better and more accurate response from the members here at NWFA, so I replied as such and posted a link. My link to NWFA was promptly censored without any PM or explanation.

I feel like I'm supposed to check my "Adult Card" at the login page a ifish and pretend like I'm a 12 year old. Add in the holier-than-thou, self-righteous attitude of the "salty dogs" and I'm done.

 

[nehalemguy]

I left ifish a little over a year ago. The first straw was when I got 10 infraction points (or some such) for posting "@$$hole" as part of a response. I got in trouble for intentionally bypassing the filters, even though I didn't even know there was a filter.

Second (and last) straw was when someone posted a firearms question in the "hunting" section. The question really didn't have anything to do with hunting, and I knew the OP would get a much better and more accurate response from the members here at NWFA, so I replied as such and posted a link. My link to NWFA was promptly censored without any PM or explanation.

I feel like I'm supposed to check my "Adult Card" at the login page a ifish and pretend like I'm a 12 year old. Add in the holier-than-thou, self-righteous attitude of the "salty dogs" and I'm done.

When agreed to the iFish AUP, one of the conditions was no profanity or representations of profanity. You admit that you violated that provision so you shouldn't be surprised that you got your hand slapped.

I'm sorry that you got your feelings hurt but be honest, you brought it on yourself.

E

 

[Oregonhunter5]

Listen, we are men here, mosty, and men say azzhole. It's just a fact of life.
But back to Ruth. We just left another comment saying, trust is earned and not taken away after its lost. She says, basically, if you had my youth life, and always picking yourself off the ground, you wouldn't trust anyway as well.
Give me a break. Read the posts and you will see.
Bunch of freaking Sally's over there.

 

[nehalemguy]

Well, I guess paint me red and call me Sally.


Sally

 

[Modeler]

When agreed to the iFish AUP, one of the conditions was no profanity or representations of profanity. You admit that you violated that provision so you shouldn't be surprised that you got your hand slapped.

I'm sorry that you got your feelings hurt but be honest, you brought it on yourself.

E

There's the ifish attitude I was talking about.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Sally, I posted that to show others how rediculous it is to not be able to even debate any GC or 2A posts. Just leave it to keep things nice & liberal & tree huggery over there & forget about em.

CavemanJim

 

[nehalemguy]

There's the ifish attitude I was talking about.

Come on Modeler! You intentionally bypassed the filter, got caught, and then play the victim?

Someone call the cops! Modeler has stolen Ginny Burdick's play book!

I'm saying this in jest so don't start popping blood pressure pills. I've been nailed with infractions as well in the past but I got over it.

Sally

 

[BAMCIS]

Sally, I posted that to show others how rediculous it is to not be able to even debate any GC or 2A posts. Just leave it to keep things nice & liberal & tree huggery over there & forget about em.

CavemanJim

Being politically correct nips debate in the bud. Which is exactly what liberals want.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

Being PC gives me and most ball swinging men gas.

 

[DHPShooter]

Sometimes I feel downright unwelcome here. Do you realize that many liberals, perhaps not a majority, but many do enjoy firearms and support the 2nd? Do you realize that there are more liberals in this country than conservatives? Do you realize that if you drive liberals away you won't have enough support for your cause?

To me, the right to bear arms is truly a liberal cause. Dems are not all liberals, and certainly, DF is not a liberal. She is a corporatist "neo-liberal" whatever that is. A true liberal would support the workers and small businesses more, and to hell with the big banks and multinational corporations.

Just had to get that off my chest. I'll probably get flamed or banned now. It's OK I can take that. I'm a big boy and don't complain.

Peace.

P.S. I was complaining about how hard it was to find ammo to my wife, and later mentioned I was going to swing by REI. She said Oh, they probably have ammo! No, not all outdoors oriented people are gun enthusiasts. You can't divide society up neatly and say this type of person enjoys guns, and that type does not. Don't be so divisive in your rhetoric and keep the friends you have. Don't bash people because they are liberal, or Democrat, or into wolf conservation. That is part of representing the gun community in a positive way, and this is a really bad time to alienate the people who don't enjoy what we enjoy.

 

[Modeler]

Come on Modeler! You intentionally bypassed the filter, got caught, and then play the victim?

Someone call the cops! Modeler has stolen Ginny Burdick's play book!

I'm saying this in jest so don't start popping blood pressure pills. I've been nailed with infractions as well in the past but I got over it.

Sally

If you'll go back and read what I posted (go ahead, I'll wait........) you'll see that I didn't know there was a filter, so there was no way I could have "intentionally bypassed the filter". The general feel at ifish is very clique-ey, those two incidents just made me not want to go back.

On another note, I know your username is nehalemguy, but you don't happen to live in Spokane do you?

 

[Oregonhunter5]

Sometimes I feel downright unwelcome here. Do you realize that many liberals, perhaps not a majority, but many do enjoy firearms and support the 2nd? Do you realize that there are more liberals in this country than conservatives? Do you realize that if you drive liberals away you won't have enough support for your cause?

To me, the right to bear arms is truly a liberal cause. Dems are not all liberals, and certainly, DF is not a liberal. She is a corporatist "neo-liberal" whatever that is. A true liberal would support the workers and small businesses more, and to hell with the big banks and multinational corporations.

Just had to get that off my chest. I'll probably get flamed or banned now. It's OK I can take that. I'm a big boy and don't complain.

Peace.

P.S. I was complaining about how hard it was to find ammo to my wife, and later mentioned I was going to swing by REI. She said Oh, they probably have ammo! No, not all outdoors oriented people are gun enthusiasts. You can't divide society up neatly and say this type of person enjoys guns, and that type does not. Don't be so divisive in your rhetoric and keep the friends you have. Don't bash people because they are liberal, or Democrat, or into wolf conservation. That is part of representing the gun community in a positive way, and this is a really bad time to alienate the people who don't enjoy what we enjoy.

Your opinion is great. Serious, I get it. It's very true.
He's what pisses me off.
Am I gay? No. I'm not. Do I hate gays? Hell no. I have family members that are gay. They are very clean, usually as nice as any other folks, and they have great taste in the finer things in life.
Here's what I don't like. When a gay gets in my face, and says HEY I'm gay, and you need to understand me!
This is the same as liberals. I love liberals. I have many that are friends. But when they try to control me, and tell me how they will shut me down if I cross them? Screw that!