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I live in Washington can I buy an ar15 in Oregon through a FFL?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by unplugged, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. unplugged

    unplugged West side Wa. Member

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    Wondering what the laws are when buying a gun out of state. Can I use a FFL in Oregon when purchasing an ar15 from a private party?
     
  2. BVB

    BVB PDX Active Member

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    yes and not pay tax and a bonus of driving home with it, provided you pass a background check
     
  3. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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  4. lmmmmm

    lmmmmm Seattle Member

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    yes.
     
  5. BigStick

    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    You don't even need the FFL, unless the other guy wants it. But don't listen to us. Go to the link Nwcid and prove it to yourself.

    Our advice is worth as much as you pay for it. We can usually point you in the right direction though.
     
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  6. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    YES, you DO need an FFL. You can NOT by face to face ANY firearm across state lines.

    From the link,

    Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?
    A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
     
  7. BVB

    BVB PDX Active Member

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    "You don't even need the FFL, unless the other guy wants it. But don't listen to us. Go to the link Nwcid and prove it to yourself.
    Our advice is worth as much as you pay for it. We can usually point you in the right direction though."

    WTF? talk about bad advice, maybe you should read and check the LAWS out blert out any more untruths!
    do tell us you have been buying guns across state lines without a FFL?
     
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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    <Why there aren't any school shootings in Israel! Teacher with long gun slung over her shoulder!!!

    I bought an AK-74 in OR. To do the deal legally we had to go to an FFL, do the paperwork, wait for the NICS check to go through, then I could bring it home.
     
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  9. unplugged

    unplugged West side Wa. Member

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    Thanks for the replies guys.

    If you need an FFL in the Eugene area this place is very reasonable ($30) and accommodating. Oak Grove Guns http://www.ogvguns.com/
     
  10. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    You can by a long gun from a FFL brokered deal in an adjoining state to the state you reside in (provided that the adjoining state in question doesn't prohibit non-resident transactions), sidearms (handguns) would require that you conduct the transaction with a FFL in your state of residency. A non-licensed person in one state may ship a firearm to a FFL in another state to complete the transaction.

    Do NOT do anything in violation Federal and State laws, but if you go through a FFL you will give info to the BATFE "registry" that they deny compiling, even though they go in and copy all the info in the FFL's "hard bound" book, and Form4473's a FFL is required to keep on file for a very long period of time... Don't tell ME they aren't compiling a "registry"!
     
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  11. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    It does NOT have to be an adjoining state. You can buy a long gun at (transferred at) an FFL in ANY state where there firearm is legal in both states.
     
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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I know that, and you're correct. I was speaking in context of the OP concerning Washington-Oregon transactions, I should have clarified my context.
     
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  13. Ryo

    Ryo WA Member

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    Can purchase long gun/shotgun from other states going through a FFL. Handguns need to be shipped to a local FFL.
     
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  14. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    No, you can ONLY buy long guns out of state, and ONLY using an FFL for transfer. It does not have to be neighboring.

    I will post the link to the laws again, https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons

    Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?
    A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
     
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  15. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Math is hard.
     
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  16. GunRightsCoalition

    GunRightsCoalition Vancouver Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    LOL, It's also not always so easy to read the laws either. Licensee, licensor, etc. Of course this is complicated because there are so many licenses and permits required for this that or the other. I'm a licensee because I have a drivers license, or a Concealed weapons license? Oh, but wait, I'm not a licensee since I don't have a Federal Firearms License? Make up your mind.
     
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    Ryo WA Member

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    My bad, I didn't realize that law was changed quite a while ago. Thanks.
     
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    Reco Portland Oregon Active Member

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    When doing a FFL transfer does the seller need to pay fees as well as the buyer?
     
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    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Well I was going to say he gave good advise to listen to Nwcid....
    BUT all in all you can ,in fact, buy a handgun from another state but it needs to be shipped to an ffl.Or I guess the Oregon FFL could transport it to WA ad vice versa?


    Really Nwcid is who I trust has actually read the laws he links or makes statements about
     
  20. unplugged

    unplugged West side Wa. Member

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    No.

    My experience was, we met at the gun store, the gun store took the gun into it's inventory gave the seller a receipt and I purchased it from the gun store/FFL. The fee was $30 to me.