Oregon Here's what I do not understand about 114 etc.

[RVTECH]

Hell, I grew up in California

So did I and similarly (and in the 70's) shooting and gun ownership in CA was a whole lot easier back then.

Heck we had a pretty nice range not far from where I lived (Fullerton) and it wasn't too much of a drive to public land to shoot on.

 

[40nascar]

Its why oregon pro 2a people tend to be weak as they are used to the bs. By the time I was 18 private transfers were banned so lots were used to that. Next generation will get used to mag ban or permits now. Think about how much more weak/moderate Oregon gun people (in general) are compaired to a state like Texas or Indiana? It stops younger people from getting used to it. Kinda like the milsurp market i have a disinterest in usgi orginal colt 1911s due to the price as I was not there when they were cheap and the price now I'll buy something instead.

Most the young people I know, who go to Oregon, smoke pot. That's the problem. Oregon is going to pot.

 

[40nascar]

Way more than Ive met who know the laws.
The problem with "shall not comply" is you'll be the only one sitting in jail and/or having lost all your gun rights if you get caught not complying. No 2A supporter in Oregon is going to come break you out let alone bail you out.

Yes, too many of them love pot more than their firearms, or the possibility of getting arrested.

 

[NWaters]

"But how on earth does this even screw with me?"

OP, all of your standard magazines will soon be illegal and if you are caught using them it is up to you to prove to the state that you owned them before M114 was enacted. If you fail to do that you will be charged with a class A misdemeanor (DUI, assault in the fourth degree, etc.).

Depending on who catches you, you probably wouldn't be charged because most Law Enforcement is against the magazine ban. You just need to be careful that you don't make any enemies or let the wrong person know. If a citizen were to rat you out then Law Enforcement wouldn't have a choice.

 

[1911Fanatic]

From what I've read is that any larger capacity mags that you have are legal to use on private property. So, your home or other property, like a gun range, is acceptable. You just can't carry them as part of your daily carry out in public.

For me, I will be carrying a 1911 or my Python when out and about in town. I may get some ten rounders for the Ruger RXM I plan to purchase in the next month or two, as I might want to carry it.

It doesn't say anywhere that they are gonna show up to your home and confiscate your mags. HB3075 modifies the date when magazines may no longer be purchased in this state. It may not even be until July 1st of next year. There was language in there that stated you won't need a permit to purchase until that date and somewhere in there it states that the effective date will be when the measure is signed into law, which it hasn't yet.

How would they enforce a retroactive ban back to December of 2022 anyway? It seems that HB3075 is better on the magazine front, but damn, they are pricing out future gun buyers with the cost of the permits, and the cost of the classes. Which is what they want ultimately anyway.

 

[1911Fanatic]

Yes, too many of them love pot more than their firearms, or the possibility of getting arrested.

Pot and video games in their parent's basement.

 

[Aero Denezol]

Most the young people I know, who go to Oregon, smoke pot. That's the problem. Oregon is going to pot.

Pot and video games in their parent's basement.

^^^Yes, 100%. I have now met several people who moved here from Red States specifically because we have a permissive attitude towards drug use.

Depending on who catches you, you probably wouldn't be charged because most Law Enforcement is against the magazine ban. You just need to be careful that you don't make any enemies or let the wrong person know. If a citizen were to rat you out then Law Enforcement wouldn't have a choice.

Yes, and there is precedent for this. People ratted each other out during Covid. I think in Los Angeles they even offered rewards.

There are too many of us for the State to go around auditing magazines. The best policy is to be invisible. The people with AR stickers on their SUVs will be the first that get prosecuted.

I personally think they will use this law to trump up charges on people, i.e., incidental to an arrest for a different violation. Like reckless driving, for example.

 

[AdiosPDX]

Having come from CA, I worry OR will continue to push (and land) some gun control until the Supreme Court steps in. I am not sure this court would do, but maybe with 1-2 new conservative justices.

 

[crstrode]

Here's what I do not understand about 114 etc.

These sorts of laws are not meant to be understood.
They are meant to be enforced - by force.

 

[nwslopoke]

There are too many of us for the State to go around auditing magazines. The best policy is to be invisible. The people with AR stickers on their SUVs will be the first that get prosecuted.

I personally think they will use this law to trump up charges on people, i.e., incidental to an arrest for a different violation. Like reckless driving, for example.

I worry about the cops that wouldn't or couldn't leave and either agree with or accept wonky directives.

We saw Portland's ex police chief, Lawless(?), get promoted upwards to a bigger department. It's easy for me to point fingers but IMO, she was completely owned by the Portland system and apparently willing to go along with it. Just one example.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Maybe they are thinking that it will reduce suicides by firearm or deter/delay shootings by new firearm purchasers?

If it's a real hassle to acquire a firearm a person may choose to walk in front of MAX train instead.

It won't

Accused Oregon principal bought gun before death, causing lockdown

The principal was found dead in his garage.

www.statesmanjournal.com

"Our officers told him they were concerned he may have purchased the gun to hurt himself. He said he had not, but he agreed to hand it over. We took his gun for safekeeping."

Fisher was found dead the next day hanging in his garage.

 

[3MTA3]

One frog looked around at the other frogs and said "I just don't get it. It's only one degree hotter in the kettle every few minutes. What's up with you guys, anyway?"

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I worry about the cops that wouldn't or couldn't leave and either agree with or accept wonky directives.

We saw Portland's ex police chief, Lawless(?), get promoted upwards to a bigger department. It's easy for me to point fingers but IMO, she was completely owned by the Portland system and apparently willing to go along with it. Just one example.

Anywhere the Chief Of Police is appointed and not elected it is always a political position and yeah, they are appointed because they are 'owned' by the system

 

[CamoDeafie]

Anywhere the Chief Of Police is appointed and not elected it is always a political position and yeah, they are appointed because they are 'owned' by the system

Believe some people are pushing to do away with electing county sheriff's and replacing with appointed county sheriff's I remember such discussion on FB and other places but nothing ever seem to have come about of them. Edit, most in response to several county Sheriffs saying they won't enforce State gun laws within their counties (2A sanctuary counties)

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Believe some people are pushing to do away with electing county sheriff's and replacing with appointed county sheriff's I remember such discussion on FB and other places but nothing ever seem to have come about of them. Edit, most in response to several county Sheriffs saying they won't enforce State gun laws within their counties (2A sanctuary counties)

That idea makes the fringe on my flag quiver!

 

[1911Fanatic]

It won't

Accused Oregon principal bought gun before death, causing lockdown

The principal was found dead in his garage.

www.statesmanjournal.com

"Our officers told him they were concerned he may have purchased the gun to hurt himself. He said he had not, but he agreed to hand it over. We took his gun for safekeeping."

Fisher was found dead the next day hanging in his garage.

Well, nobody's gonna miss him, so….

 

[40nascar]

I worry about the cops that wouldn't or couldn't leave and either agree with or accept wonky directives.

We saw Portland's ex police chief, Lawless(?), get promoted upwards to a bigger department. It's easy for me to point fingers but IMO, she was completely owned by the Portland system and apparently willing to go along with it. Just one example.

Yep! What a S..tbag. Careerist pigs are the biggest threat to Democracy in America, Barely ahead of the black robe fascists, and the communist legislators.

 

[Lugg]

Total disarmament to control everyone. And if anyone thinks thats a conspiracy theory then please provide an answer to the OP.

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state". ~Heinrich Himmler.

"Youth belongs to us and we will yield them to no one." ~Joseph Goebbels' (Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda of the National Socialist German Workers' Party) speech August 4, 1935.

 

[FilthyDirty13]

OK these people want to implement Measure 114 or pass a bill that end runs 114 and puts the same crap in place (though from what I can tell more expensive).

SO how does this logic work. I currently have more then 1 and less then 50 fully functional firearms in my legal possession. I can carry a number of them concealed I can carry most any of them openly. I can hunt, I can target practice, I can kick a pop can around an open field, I can shoot a person breaking into my house in the middle of the night.

EXACTLY what purpose in the real world of Disney would requiring me to jump through all these hoops and pay this money to buy one more firearm? I can assure you should crime and mayhem be my intention I would not require another firearm to carry anything out.

I know that the reason for these laws has nothing to do with reducing crime or safety. But how on earth does this even screw with me? I have firearms. Sure I might want a couple more but is all this effort worth me not having that Replica Winchester model 1886 rifle I would like?

It just seams from a logical point of view so amazingly stupid.

It seems amazingly stupid because it is. It's not about safety or reducing crime it's about making it more costly and difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain firearms, plain and simple. The democrats can't outright ban or take our guns so the next best thing is to make it as cost prohibitive and burdensome as possible.