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I am pro gun but...
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I am pro gun but...
The thing that really bothers me is that because of my "don't tread on me" attitude I immediately get lumped into the same category as "irresponsible gun owner," and "the vocal minority that is going to get my rights taken away."
Look, the simple fact of the matter is that on the rate we are going 100 years from now we are going to look like Canada, and not because of me or people that are like minded. In the previous 100 years we have given up our rights because we were afraid of black people, we have given up our right to carry without registering with the state, and in some places we have to come up with bubblegum like thisView attachment 91973 to be legal.
Not to be to bold, brash, or bothersome, but what good are RIGHTS if you are afraid to use them?
With respect YOUR RIGHTS ARE ALREADY GONE, you just don't know it yet.
and it really is that simple.
The only things you can do is
1) each month take a new friend to the range
2) FOR GOD SAKE TEACH YOUR CHILDREN, PASS IT ON
3) Lobby your legislature
4) Make sure you follow safe firearm practices
5) Smile , engage and be a fun person to be around
Show them that normal people love guns. I did this where I worked in the food industry for 3 years. In that time I have gotten 1 dude and 3 women into and to go and buy their first guns, showed them how to safely use them, and I regularly go shooting with them. It is really that simple, show your passion while being likeable. That simple.
Eagle
Not to be to bold, brash, or bothersome, but what good are RIGHTS if you are afraid to use them?
and it really is that simple.
Eagle
I just don't think open caring is rude. Everyone that knows me well or asks why, knows why I do what I do.This thread went off the rails, didn't it?
@Eagle - I took your five points as the general gist of what the OP was trying to say. Well said sir.
sad but true. The only thing we can do is, like I said earlier. The swing votes only swing if you aren't showing that your fellow man can be trusted. Show them that they are lunatics for their distrust in their fellow man. Show them they are more paranoid than the average gun owner.
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" If you are fearful because of the sight of a gun, you are irrational, illogical, and just plain need to be on medication. "
About half the country falls into at least one of those categories!
And they vote too.
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" If you are fearful because of the sight of a gun, you are irrational, illogical, and just plain need to be on medication. "
About half the country falls into at least one of those categories!
And they vote too.
I am pro gun but anti idiot. And too many Idiots have guns. I am a realist and realize this system doesn't work and invite change for the better good. I don't think wide open doors makes it hard and I have no feeling nw that my rights are even close to being infrindged upon. Anything that keeps guns out of idiots hands I will vote for any day even if it means passing a test.
I am also anti alcohol. I would vote prohibition again. I don't see any benefit to it. Hell without alcohol around I might not be so inclined to speakk out against idiots owning guns because there would be a lot less people doing as stupid of things. But again people will go back alley becuase their alcohol and guns are a right dammit haha
Say, what are your thoughts on abortion? Tests maybe? Sonagrams before permission to abort?
Regarding open carry, I'll care about people's feelings on the subject the day I don't have to get a permission slip from nanny government to conceal carry a firearm. That and the average police/government agent patrols the streets unarmed.
I suppose what you have to ask yourself at the time of taking any action, OC in this case, is "Am I helping or hurting the cause?" I know, far be it from you to question yourself. However, this country has a two elected bodies (let's call them the Senate and the House of Representatives.) Additionally in your own State there are elected bodies encompassing the same job function, but on a more local level. If you open carry like a brainless donkey (see above posted picture from the Great Chipotle Cockup of 2014) then your "rights" will be slowly, and in some cases, rapidly restricted. You see those bodies we spoke of earlier, have the right to enact laws and restrictions. They also surprisingly give a crap about what others think, mainly because they want to get re-elected (they don't really care, they just don't want the gravy train to end). If you gin up a plurality of support against your "rights", see aforementioned donkey like state, then your rights will begin to be restricted. Don't believe me, lets see some examples.
look at the following states California, New York, Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, Hawaii. Look at initiatives such as I594.
You are right sir there is a 225 year old document that is called the Constitution of which the first 10 amendments comprise what we commonly refer to as the Bill of Rights. Most specifically to this discussion is the issue of Amendment 2 which encompasses the right to bear arms. Yes you are right that it says that right shall not be infringed. Yes there was that Heller decision from that other government body The U.S. Supreme Court. But this is the other item that demonstrates why you need to give two flying figs about what someone else thinks.
In the summary of the decision, we see the following:
" 2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54-56." (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html , emphasis added)
Now I know, you are one of the good ones. You are not like the Chipotle Bonehead Posse of 2014. You don't bother others and they don't bother you. However, since you have stated you don't care what others think, how would you know?
Now I know this brings forth the question of my patriotism and some will think I have "secret shame" about carrying or owning a gun(s). Some may rail against the need for community consensus to carry a gun. However all of these would be missing the point. I am not saying you need community consensus, and I have no "secret shame". What I am saying, what the OP is saying, what others have also joined in saying is that people who choose to OC need to be cognizant that they are a very visible representation of gun owners in the community. Is it fair, no, but life is not fair. If you OC in a way that reflects negatively on the rest of us then you bear some responsibility for the erosion of rights. If we all act in a responsible manner, and not make a spectacle of ourselves, then we make it harder to make a case for further restriction.
...So please let me just ask this once and forgive if I irritate but why would anyone need to wear a long gun in public in the first place?...
Bill
exactly - it plays right into their hands and it harms our causeWhere I see an issue with public carry is when its in your face and intended to intimidate our opposition to gun rights. That makes us all look just the way the left wants the moderate voters to see us.
I guess if me wanting more required testing showing competency and controls making it harder for any idiot to acquire a gun and carry it in public makes me anti gun then I guess I'm anti gun. 21 doesn't make you able to own and properly use a weapon. Pure and simple and anyone who thinks that is enough to pass the test is either ignorant or stupid and so pro gun they could. Be considered an extremeist and I stop listening.
I don't trust people. I have no faith in people and arming everyone on the streets doesn't make me feel safer.
Oh yes. Because a simple range test would just inihibit soooo many people from owning a gun. Seriously? If you cant pass a simple test then you shouldn't have one. You are the same kind of person that says there should be no drinking age or anything. Basically an anarchist. With freedom comes sacrifice