Gun control reduces suicides

[NWGlockgal]

This is something I don't generally discuss but this is an important subject.
I lost my husband last year to a suicide with a gun. I do not blame the gun because nothing would have stopped it. He had severe, life long depression which essentially became untreatable. It was carefully planned and not done on the spur of the moment. Whether there was a gun in the house did not matter, he would have used a different manner.
It angers me to see mental health issues used to fight guns, when they are not the issue.

 

[Jim Colvill]

This is something I don't generally discuss but this is an important subject.
I lost my husband last year to a suicide with a gun. I do not blame the gun because nothing would have stopped it. He had severe, life long depression which essentially became untreatable. It was carefully planned and not done on the spur of the moment. Whether there was a gun in the house did not matter, he would have used a different manner.
It angers me to see mental health issues used to fight guns, when they are not the issue.

Spot on,Glockgal. Depression is the major factor in suicide. Not the "oh, I'm feeling blah" kind which everyone gets but the type which becomes physically and psychologically crippling; the type which makes a person crawl into a shell, close off those closest to them, and spirals into the hell of hopelessness and desperation. Blaming the victim and telling them to "just buck up" is no help. Calling guns "a mental health crisis" is disingenuous and does nothing to deal with the actual problem. I've found, in my own case, the best help are close, non-judgmental friends and family as a support network. Depression is something I would not wish on my worst enemy and it pains me to see flippant comments regarding it.

 

[etrain16]

This is something I don't generally discuss but this is an important subject.
I lost my husband last year to a suicide with a gun. I do not blame the gun because nothing would have stopped it. He had severe, life long depression which essentially became untreatable. It was carefully planned and not done on the spur of the moment. Whether there was a gun in the house did not matter, he would have used a different manner.
It angers me to see mental health issues used to fight guns, when they are not the issue.

I'm sorry to hear that, my sympathies. Thank you for sharing your story though.

 

[DuneHopper]

In California because of the gun restrictions most suicides are done by drugs such as sleeping pills, or hanging ones self. Yet even without the access to firearms California suicide rates are still climbing each year. Something you wont see the media ever validate.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Old style safety razors are suddenly back in vogue now. Does the progressive mind think this will cause an increase in suicides?

 

[DuneHopper]

View attachment 254827Old style safety razors are suddenly back in vogue now. Does the progressive mind think this will cause an increase in suicides?

I think they will just make sure you get a background check, after all we all know background checks prevent suicides .

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Suicide is a touchy subject that shuts most people up and the Progressives use that to their advantage with false claims about firearms that go mostly undisputed and unchecked.
They are sick with their exploitation of grieving widows or parents of teens that have killed themselves.

Never let a tragedy/crisis go to waste. They have no problem using suicide as a tool to erode our 2ndA Rights!

 

[boogerhook]

Look at Japan. Hardly any guns. But they count 30,000 suicides annually with a population of 120m people.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Look at Japan. Hardly any guns. But they count 30,000 suicides annually with a population of 120m people.

That would be a deep rooted Cultural thing as in it is honorable to kill yourself after failing or causing harm to others etc.
Like you said though, guns are scarce there and people still succeed in killing themselves.

 

[NWGlockgal]

They are sick with their exploitation of grieving widows.

It is beyond sick. It is insensitive and cruel. And until they are in my place (G-d forbid) they need to shut up.

 

[DuneHopper]

The liberal mind set as a rule, tends to look at what resources available are and how they can benefit them. I am not saying that as an attack on liberals. But the liberal culture its self tends to lean towards befitting from others work or events rather then their own. Until America wakes up and realizes the cultural divide is not race, its a liberal and conservative mind set. Sadly history will show the liberal mind set has and does destroy cultures, again not an attack this is simply how it works in the mixed society we have. In Russia the liberal mind set wont work and is never an option. Why? Because there is no personal benefit form communism, and as much as it may seem that liberals want socialism, they are not wanting communism. They want what they can benefit from, in the cases of suicide its based on how mush they can take from a person for themselves. To conservatives that is viewed as selfish. To a liberal its survival.

 

[U8395279]

not necessarily. Some scientists still use critical thinking and try to stay unbiased no matter who donated enough to put their name on a school building. That's why I like to read the study.

Its the same thing in medicine. I will never, ever, ever make medical decisions based on the media's interpretation of a medical study. I want to read the study myself. I have never seen the media get a medical study interpretation quite right (and therefore I assume that every story is not right either).

True, but I find that the fact that this study comes from a school created by Bloomberg and financially indebted to him to be more than just a mere coincidence. Did Bloomberg even perhaps pay for the study itself? No way to know, since the author provided no links to the study.


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[boogerhook]

A relative of mine committed suicide after decades in a wheelchair after an accident that paralyzed him waist down. He was an avid hunter and outdoors man, very active and it took a great toll on him. After 20 years in the wheelchair he had enough. One night after supper, he recused himself - sent the housekeeper home - and took his life with a pistol. For him this was a natural choice, clean and straight forward. Nobody in our family ever wondered whether the firearm was at fault. It was a tool. His choice. That's it. RIP.

 

[NWGlockgal]

His choice.

Unfortunately their choices impact others in an unfair way. Emotional and financial devastation being two.
My husband survived eleven days and I could have been financially destroyed if not for insurance. As it was, it cost me tens of thousands of dollars. My life would have been completely altered had he survived. And the emotional trauma of thinking he was going to survive only to lose him was devestating. And the guilt it puts on the surviving spouse and family members is almost unbearable.
It goes far beyond "his choice" and I wish those who choose to take their own life had the capacity to understand that.

 

[bc76254]

These stories are beyond stupid (sorry, no other word applies). These aren't "scholarly" articles...they're lies with statistics. A much more unbiased Connecticut magazine states Connecticut has one of the highest suicide rates in the nation, which only continues to rise. Nothing at all to do with guns.

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[DuneHopper]

Unfortunately their choices impact others in an unfair way. Emotional and financial devastation being two.
My husband survived eleven days and I could have been financially destroyed if not for insurance. As it was, it cost me tens of thousands of dollars. My life would have been completely altered had he survived. And the emotional trauma of thinking he was going to survive only to lose him was devestating. And the guilt it puts on the surviving spouse and family members is almost unbearable.
It goes far beyond "his choice" and I wish those who choose to take their own life had the capacity to understand that.

I know there is pain in many a lives, I was told when I was 30 I would not walk again. But years later I was lucky due to some very talented people I was like new 20 years later still no issues other then some morning stiffness time to time. I tend to look at leaving others behind as selfish, they seldom know the impact they had on others and that they and to the extent it will impact others. I can not speak for people I do not know, but I had an inlaw who got cancer and wanted to end it. He went 95% the way to doing it. I lost allot of respect for him. Not because he was in pain, but because he was only thinking of his own out and not all of those who would be left here without him. As I said I am not speaking for everyone case to end it. I am saying there is more to the choice then ones own.

 

[NWGlockgal]

Unfortunately people with severe depression who are being treated/not responding to treatment are not capable of thinking of anything other than their own suffering and how to end it. They cannot get past that. It's not a matter of being selfish, it is one of the devastating affects of the disease.

 

[DuneHopper]

Unfortunately people with severe depression who are being treated/not responding to treatment are not capable of thinking of anything other than their own suffering and how to end it. They cannot get past that. It's not a matter of being selfish, it is one of the devastating affects of the disease.

You are 100% correct, but not everyone falls into that category. A know for a fact our military and issues along with it fall into as you are saying. But there are many more who just see life as becoming more difficult and wanting to end it. To be clear I think in my post I was pretty clear in saying I was not speaking about people I did not know.

 

[soberups]

My biggest fear is slowly dying in a hospital bed, full of tubes and drugs and no longer being able to control any aspect of my personal being.

Ideally I would like to pass on peacefully in my sleep. But if I knew the end was near and still had any mobility at all, part of me would want to just take one last walk in the woods by myself. My only concern there would be the impact it would have on the person who found me, so for that to work there would need to be a friend or family member who was OK with that.

 

[boogerhook]

Unfortunately their choices impact others in an unfair way. Emotional and financial devastation being two.
My husband survived eleven days and I could have been financially destroyed if not for insurance. As it was, it cost me tens of thousands of dollars. My life would have been completely altered had he survived. And the emotional trauma of thinking he was going to survive only to lose him was devestating. And the guilt it puts on the surviving spouse and family members is almost unbearable.
It goes far beyond "his choice" and I wish those who choose to take their own life had the capacity to understand that.

Sorry to hear. That was rough. I apologize, I should not have generalized. Every case is different. I shared mine to emphasize that the tool used to commit suicide does not matter as much as anti-gunners will put on them. I would argue that not that many gun suicides are "impulsive suicides" that, in absence of a gun, would not have happened. Bodged suicides happen with many methods, and any of them can have devastating outcomes. Obviously, an older person who is ill, severely handicapped, or otherwise prevented from enjoying life will be judged/understood differently than someone younger that could not cope with a temporary adversity. One is understandable and easier to cope with, the other is tragic and will likely lead to survivor guilt. And again I am generalizing, but just trying to show a spectrum as I understand it.