National Gun-Control Median?

Diamondback · Mar 15, 2018

Ura-Ki said:
I would bet most people would welcome our conquerors with open arms, open their homes and pantries. All in the name of socialisism, because our leaders told them it was for their own good! Sadly, that could come to pass if the antis finally decide to roll out gun grabs and decide the best tool was the U.N. to do it! About the time We The People rise up and put down something like that, this country will be a vastly different place! It's Not about gun control, it's about disarmament of the people, because the people should be feared!

"Don't fire 'til you see the blue of their bucketheads..."

brenty · Mar 15, 2018

druiseeker said:
The attention needs to be on the criminally insane and the felons. The 1 percent who get through the cracks...

In one of the earlier NRA links, the ATF/DOJ were quoted as saying that 79 percent of criminals had acquired their firearms from "off the street" sales, "black market, "criminal acts," and relatives/friends. With the DOJ saying 50 percent of criminals getting them from straw purchasers (which is a kind of private sale). "Relatives" should know better and be criminally liable for knowingly giving a gun to a felon. The whole reason for the AFT to exist is for the "black market". As for "criminal acts"? Toss 'em in prison and throw away the key. If I had to pick something to fix or legislate, a requirement for "off the street" sellers and "straw purchasers" to verify the recipients eligibility is a good one. The only way I can think of doing that is via a self-service portal for NICS or an online verification of a CHL.

crap, I wish I could remember the study but somewhere did a study that said actually very few places put up with straw purchases, and they also did a study on the online gun stores and found that the majority of them were extremely honest and abided by the laws and would even go out of thier way to make sure they werent selling to the wrong people. I will find the studies

CarlMc · Mar 16, 2018

brenty said:
crap, I wish I could remember the study but somewhere did a study that said actually very few places put up with straw purchases, and they also did a study on the online gun stores and found that the majority of them were extremely honest and abided by the laws and would even go out of thier way to make sure they werent selling to the wrong people. I will find the studies

I went looking myself and couldn't find it. Apparently an investigation took place where several people tried to buy guns via the web and other routes, letting slip that they were straw buyers or other prohibited persons. No dealers took the bait, thankfully, and when it was all said and done, it turned out that certain Democrats (the name Johnson comes to mind, but I don't recall more than that) requested the investigation, expecting that they'd find something to make more laws over.

Andy54Hawken · Mar 16, 2018

A couple of things that are heartening...are the common refrains of
Enforce the laws already on the books...
The asking of accountability of those who failed at their jobs of looking in the background of the person during a BGC...
( At least this is common among the gun owners that I know )

The fact the overwhelming majority of gun owners and gunshops are law abiding...
Now if only the media would recognize and report that...
Andy

nwslopoke · Mar 16, 2018

What should be avoided is the need for black markets. I don't have any official stats but I will definitely say the Obama White House pushed gun sales and drove the popularity of the AR15. George Bush Sr, brought the rise of distrust in government. The 'Black Helicopter' theory along with the rise in survivalist.

Trump's WH is in turmoil to say the least. Russians, strippers and N Korea has offered the left everything they need and they are on their A game. The sheep have a new level of government distrust. So much so, the left is lawless AND getting away with it.

SUPER X · Mar 16, 2018

druiseeker said:
I think its time to revisit this issue. What would be a "common sense " compromise on the gun control issue? With all the attention recently being brought to bear by the media, legislation WILL come out of this. The question, what would be less offensive to the "people of the gun"? Can we make it something effective for a change? What would YOU agree to?

My opinion is that anyone who is walking free should be able to own & carry a gun, which also has the implication that anyone who can't should be in lockup and/or getting inpatient mental health treatment. While I recognize this is unreasonable, especially with all our prisons and jails being full, I still prefer partial disarmament over everyone loosing their rights. How do we make that happen?

I firmly believe that any effective legislation would have to address WHO can't have guns, not the guns themselves. It should always have some method to get gun rights restored that doesn't require hiring a lawyer.

1.) Fix the NICS system. However that happens, it needs to be fixed. Its currently garbage.

2.) Universal background checks. I don't want them, but I think they're going to happen at the federal level sometime soon. I don't like the way Oregon and Washington implemented them. I shouldn't have to pay a middleman to sell my private property. If the goal is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, I'd much prefer the establishment/requirement of the use of a self-service background check/verification web portal. If someone has a CCP or something like an Illinois FOID cart, it should be easy to establish some sort of verification system. Anything else is just pushing more unnecessary government in our lives.

Does anybody agree on 1 and/or 2 above? If not, why and what would you change/add? With the currently political climate, something has to give or we WILL loose rights.

I Agree with both 1 and 2 . . Anything they ram through will make no difference and only effect the legal gun owners. that are not the problem The current Oregon governent has a vendetta against gun owners that has nothing to do with recent events.

brenty · Mar 16, 2018

I have been taking the extra effort to do even small things.. Such engaging with people in person and especially over the internet via various different platforms, I have found that there ARE people out there who just flat don't understand our side of the issue and are open minded enough to engage in conversation. We need as many of these people who are receptive to objective reality and empirical data as possible.

Inquisitor · Mar 16, 2018

brenty said:
I have been taking the extra effort to do even small things.. Such engaging with people in person and especially over the internet via various different platforms, I have found that there ARE people out there who just flat don't understand our side of the issue and are open minded enough to engage in conversation. We need as many of these people who are receptive to objective reality and empirical data as possible.

However, I have found that the VAST majority of people on the "Gun Safety[?]" side of the "discussion" are examples of: Psychology's Treacherous Trio: Confirmation Bias, Cognitive Dissonance, and Motivated Reasoning. There is a reason you cannot negotiate with a fanatic!