National Gun-Control Median?

[IOM]

Exactly! They stopped reporting the news or having journalistic integrity many years ago. It's all paid opinions now.

EXACTLY...

 

[Xaevian]

Common sense is an oxymoron. It doesn't exist. That is why there are labels on clothing that say "do not iron while wearing" or on hot drink cups that say "caution - hot coffee is HOT". That phrase has been used for decades as a backwards insut that says "if you don't agree, you must have no sense because you're an idiot". The same has become of "reasonable" more recently. The reality and intention of the American system is good faith and credit. Meaning, unless proven otherwise, people should be trusted to do what is right from the outset. Requiring proof of good intentions first or having to ask permission from a central authority is tyranny, plain and simple.

 

[Slobray]

It seems that every time some evil and/or crazy person commits some heinous act with a firearm, some gun owner(s)(?) comes out of the woodwork proclaiming "we need to compromise or they're going take our rights away", yet these same people fail to realize that there is no difference between "compromising" with the anti's and not: Rights are lost either way, whether taken or given up freely. It has been said here so many times before, it's not a "compromise" when one side receives nothing in return, it's called a threat.

To those who suggest that we give up our rights voluntarily, please stop using the word "compromise", instead use the words which are truer of what you're suggesting: acquiesce, surrender, accede, submit, concede, capitulate, yield, etc..............


Ray

 

[nwslopoke]

Here's my compromise
1. Get guns out of the hands of criminals.
2. Have all lawmakers and politicians get rid
of their paid security.
3. Reinstate .38 cal to police since #1.
Now we can talk compromise.

 

[Caveman Jim]

The attention has to be shifted away from AR15s. Which is going to be damn near impossible at this point because they've already sunk their claws in. The attention needs to be focused on what is truly the problem.... chemistry in the brain and body... which happens to be altered by prescription medications that they are trying to get nearly every normal kid hooked on. I still remember my parents threatening to pull me out of grade school because they were demanding to put me on Ritalin. Needless to say I didn't take it. Heard a lot of similar stories from peers and this was over 20 years ago.

The same thing happened with our son the school said he had ADHD and needed medication to alter it.

Our family doctor warned us of the side effects of Ritalin and he even said it was a nasty drug and he would not prescribe it. Suffice to say, we went with a homeopathic choice & that helped somewhat.

Come to find out later in life that he was just bored with school (he had good grades) and that the students were spoiled rotten brats, geeks, logger heads and jocks which he didn't fit in with any of them.

 

[caarecengi]

I think its time to revisit this issue. What would be a "common sense " compromise on the gun control issue? With all the attention recently being brought to bear by the media, legislation WILL come out of this. The question, what would be less offensive to the "people of the gun"? Can we make it something effective for a change? What would YOU agree to?

My opinion is that anyone who is walking free should be able to own & carry a gun, which also has the implication that anyone who can't should be in lockup and/or getting inpatient mental health treatment. While I recognize this is unreasonable, especially with all our prisons and jails being full, I still prefer partial disarmament over everyone loosing their rights. How do we make that happen?

I firmly believe that any effective legislation would have to address WHO can't have guns, not the guns themselves. It should always have some method to get gun rights restored that doesn't require hiring a lawyer.

1.) Fix the NICS system. However that happens, it needs to be fixed. Its currently garbage.

2.) Universal background checks. I don't want them, but I think they're going to happen at the federal level sometime soon. I don't like the way Oregon and Washington implemented them. I shouldn't have to pay a middleman to sell my private property. If the goal is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, I'd much prefer the establishment/requirement of the use of a self-service background check/verification web portal. If someone has a CCP or something like an Illinois FOID cart, it should be easy to establish some sort of verification system. Anything else is just pushing more unnecessary government in our lives.

Does anybody agree on 1 and/or 2 above? If not, why and what would you change/add? With the currently political climate, something has to give or we WILL loose rights.

What pisses me off more than anything is this
There were way more mass shootings under Obama than other recent administrations.
But libs are making this the problem of Trump and the NRA when we all know that evil people, hell bent on causing mayhem, are the root cause of this indiscriminate gun violence

Of the recent shootings, one was a mental health patient, one was dishonorably discharged and the latest one, Cruz, had been reported over 20 times to law enforcement.

How any of that is the fault of anything but "the system" is beyond me

 

[Ura-Ki]

Compromise cannot happen when one side demands compromise as a polite term for surrender! Compromise is giving something in return for something and both parties agree that a good deal was made! We don' have that happening here, never have, never will! Our side cannot compromise any more, we have nothing left to give, so they demand more, and the more is something very serious that we cannot give up, or compromise away! Sorry folks, that ship done took off! What do we do now? We should be gathered at the State capital's demanding to be heard, and we have just as much right as any protesters to be there! Camp out on the steps of the capital every day until the politicins have no choice but to hear our voices and answer to US, We The People!

 

[Inquisitor]

Many of the existing laws are already compromises, but since they don't work then there are more laws proposed. My position is now, the "Gun Safety[?]" people have poisoned the wells and salted the fields of the "reasonable laws" and "common-sense laws" territory.

 

[SmitKoWitz]

Seems everywhere you read, all you hear about are new regulations, but what are we the 2nd Amendment supporters getting in return? Where is the compromise the give and take? I want National Reciprocity in all 50 states, in all counties and communities, in all the same places as in my home state and all states to honor the same laws. I want the USPS parking lot and building ban removed, as well as the NPS building ban removed, and any National Parks/Monuments and Army Corp of engineer land bans removed. I'll gladly give up bumps stocks, and if you want to require education / training for new applicants of CC licenses (where law requires them) I'm ok with that. I think schools should be required to have firearms safety and responsibility education classes for all students, age appropriate. And the option of on hands laser training should be available for those in the last two years of high school.

 

[ma96782]

It's funny that, there once was a time in America when ".......shall not be infringed" was well understood.

And those that didn't understand, were thought to be "Un-American." Now, it's been flip-flopped.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Diamondback]

Enforce existing laws first. Until that's done, Grabbers can go F themselves with the nearest large object turned sideways.

After that we can talk about Nationwide Carry, Suppressor Deregulation, PDW ("SBR") Deregulation...

 

[CarlMc]

Allow me to tell everyone this joke.

"The mathematician is put in a chair in a large empty room and a beautiful naked woman is placed on a bed at the other end of the room.
The psychologist explains, "You are to remain in your chair. Every five minutes, I will move your chair to a position halfway between its current location and the woman on the bed." The mathematician looks at the psychologist in disgust. "What? I'm not going to go through this. You know I'll never reach the bed!" And he gets up and storms out. The psychologist makes a note on his clipboard and ushers the engineer in.
He explains the situation, and the engineer's eyes light up and he starts drooling. The psychologist is a bit confused. "Don't you realize that you'll never reach her?"
The engineer smiles and replied, "Of course! But in less than half an hour, I'll be close enough for all practical purposes!"

That naked woman is gun control.
The first "halfway there" was in 1934
The second "halfway there" was in 1968
The third "halfway there" was in 1986
The chair has been getting inched forward whenever the opportunity presented itself.
STOP!

 

[etrain16]

It's funny that, there once was a time in America when ".......shall not be infringed" was well understood.

And those that didn't understand, were thought to be "Un-American." Now, it's been flip-flopped.

Aloha, Mark

Americans have been too far removed from any real threat to their liberty. Generations have passed with general peace and safety in this country, aside from some issues here and there. Even during WWI and WWII, our country was relatively safe from active harm.

I'd be willing to bet, if an invading force, say like Red Dawn, did invade this country en masse, we'd see a lot of folks very quickly begin to understand the 2nd amendment. Until then, far too many Americans believe they are safe and secure and the government is their friend. What's to be 'infringed' if you don't really need to protect yourself in the first place? Sad state of affairs.

 

[Koda]

Dont forget when we talk about "compromise" and actually getting something back in return that those things were actually taken from us in the first place.

Its like giving a theif your watch to get your camera back that he stole...

 

[ZigZagZeke]

My opinion is that anyone who is walking free should be able to own & carry a gun, which also has the implication that anyone who can't should be in lockup and/or getting inpatient mental health treatment. While I recognize this is unreasonable, especially with all our prisons and jails being full, I still prefer partial disarmament over everyone loosing their rights. How do we make that happen?

I firmly believe that any effective legislation would have to address WHO can't have guns, not the guns themselves. It should always have some method to get gun rights restored that doesn't require hiring a lawyer.

We had this system for serious mental illness until about 1970. All we need is to go back to it. It would have the added benefit of curtailing about 90% of homelessness. If we decriminalized most drugs and outlaw private prisons I think we'd quickly find ourselves with lots of space in our jails.

 

[SmitKoWitz]

Dont forget when we talk about "compromise" and actually getting something back in return that those things were actually taken from us in the first place.

Its like giving a theif your watch to get your camera back that he stole...

And yet we ask for nothing . . . . while we keep losing . . .

 

[Ura-Ki]

Americans have been too far removed from any real threat to their liberty. Generations have passed with general peace and safety in this country, aside from some issues here and there. Even during WWI and WWII, our country was relatively safe from active harm.

I'd be willing to bet, if an invading force, say like Red Dawn, did invade this country en masse, we'd see a lot of folks very quickly begin to understand the 2nd amendment. Until then, far too many Americans believe they are safe and secure and the government is their friend. What's to be 'infringed' if you don't really need to protect yourself in the first place? Sad state of affairs.

I would bet most people would welcome our conquerors with open arms, open their homes and pantries. All in the name of socialisism, because our leaders told them it was for their own good! Sadly, that could come to pass if the antis finally decide to roll out gun grabs and decide the best tool was the U.N. to do it! About the time We The People rise up and put down something like that, this country will be a vastly different place! It's Not about gun control, it's about disarmament of the people, because the people should be feared!

 

[etrain16]

I would bet most people would welcome our conquerors with open arms, open their homes and pantries. All in the name of socialisism, because our leaders told them it was for their own good! Sadly, that could come to pass if the antis finally decide to roll out gun grabs and decide the best tool was the U.N. to do it! About the time We The People rise up and put down something like that, this country will be a vastly different place! It's Not about gun control, it's about disarmament of the people, because the people should be feared!

I know it's just a rumor, but imagine if Barack Obama got in as the head of the UN. With his political connections in the US, it could be very bad for us. And you can be certain he'd be pushing disarmament of the American people from his golden throne room at the UN.

 

[Ura-Ki]

And let's not forget Killory and slick willie have similar designs for US! And they have the money to buy a place of power for Bubba Barrac Obobo from Kenya!

 

[IOM]

And let's not forget Killory and slick willie have similar designs for US! And they have the money to buy a place of power for Bubba Barrac Obobo from Kenya!

I seriously doubt that Hitlery or Billy Willy would pay a dime for barry, the money would come from Soro's and his other Elites of the World Power... Just saying...

Either way, it's still a scary thought...