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Mitch McConnell? Pat Toomey?What anti-gun bill has been written or even sponsored by a Republican. I get that that's a pretty low bar, but it's still a bar the dems can't get over.
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Mitch McConnell? Pat Toomey?What anti-gun bill has been written or even sponsored by a Republican. I get that that's a pretty low bar, but it's still a bar the dems can't get over.
That's right. I forgot Toomey Manchin. What bill did McConnell write or sponsor?Mitch McConnell? Pat Toomey?
"A couple of members" compared to the almost entirety of the other side of the aisle. Acting like these are even in the same ballpark is disingenuous at the very least.You mean "only one party is actively pushing for more gun control".
The other Party hasn't started hearings to my knowledge, to prosecute 18 USC Sec 241/242 violations, put bills to repeal gun control laws, nor actively campaigned on the side of 2A. They may say that they're "for 2A" but..... it was with the help of a couple of their members that the House AWB passed, even though seven (7) members from the actively anti2A party voted against the House AWB.
Looking at that last paragraph - ok, now post the numbers of how many on each side voted yes. Like I said - super disingenuous to even make that comparison and claim it is remotely in the same ballpark.I'm just saying, if the Republican Party members were just as passionate about 2A as they seem to be about pro-life and religious/faith based causes, and as passionate about defending and "expanding"(restoring actually) 2A protections as the Democratic Party is about dismantling and destroying 2A.... they would have more votes from the gun community IMO. How often do we see posts here that they (voters) aren't going to bother voting if the candidate is not all in on 2A protection, or 100% lock step with their standards?
Again, while it seems true that they aren't writing or sponsoring anti 2A bills, it is also true that they are not actively campaigning and promoting and writing bills to repeal gun control laws and to abolish the ATF and rein in FBI and DOJ attacks on gun owners, at least, not as fervently as the Democrats are pushing for gun control.
They have shown themselves to be more... cowardly when it comes to 2A causes. Every time Hearing Protection Act or National Reciprocity or defunding ATF is brought up, something happens, and the Democrats uses that to kill these ideas and the Republicans as a whole, roll over.
Who has "compromised" with the Democrats on gun control laws to get them passed? Didn't 15( fifteen) Republican Senators vote yes on the last "bipartisan" Senate gun control bill?
And @American123 ; 2 Republicans who voted yes on House AWB versus 7 Democrats who voted no on House AWB...I'd say that says more than what you infer.. that in the Democrat camp, there are more persons who remembers what happened in 1994 mid terms.
The sad part is even now a lot of gun owners, and want to be gun owners, sill do not know about this or the 68 gun act or the 86 gun act and so on and so on,Regarding getting more gun owners to vote - I also call complete BS on that. In Washington state for example we couldn't get enough votes to defeat ballot initiatives 594 and 1639 - items that had somewhat little turn out and many gun owners never new about until after they had already been passed.
Just like we have many gun owners in Oregon completely unaware of Ballot Measure 114 that we will be voting on in November!Looking at that last paragraph - ok, now post the numbers of how many on each side voted yes. Like I said - super disingenuous to even make that comparison and claim it is remotely in the same ballpark.
Regarding getting more gun owners to vote - I also call complete BS on that. In Washington state for example we couldn't get enough votes to defeat ballot initiatives 594 and 1639 - items that had somewhat little turn out and many gun owners never new about until after they had already been passed.
There is some new blood in the pool that are not yellow (and by that I mean cowardly, obviously).
Majorie Taylor Green (despite some wackiness in some ways, is one of them)
217 to 213.Looking at that last paragraph - ok, now post the numbers of how many on each side voted yes. Like I said - super disingenuous to even make that comparison and claim it is remotely in the same ballpark.
Yep. Spot on.Regarding getting more gun owners to vote - I also call complete BS on that. In Washington state for example we couldn't get enough votes to defeat ballot initiatives 594 and 1639 - items that had somewhat little turn out and many gun owners never new about until after they had already been passed.
Yes, that whole failure of a response by supposedly RKBA supporters really bit me in the crotch. And it still smarts...Yep. Spot on.
In one rural Eastern WA county, that always votes Republican, with one of the highest percentages of CPL holders (and presumably gun-owners), only 17% of eligible registered voters turned out -- so we got I-594 foisted on us. Wasn't much better in many of the other traditionally "red" counties.
Fast forward six years, now comes I-1639. Same results.
Every gun shop (even Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabela's, Bass Pro) and gun show had the anti-initiative political posters, banners, ads, there were bumper stickers -- how could you be an RKBA defender and not be aware? Plain and simple -- as a group, we suck, .
That's because a small voracious, organized and militantly aggressive group can steer a huge group of people and stand up to much larger less-so forces.Yep. Spot on.
In one rural Eastern WA county, that always votes Republican, with one of the highest percentages of CPL holders (and presumably gun-owners), only 17% of eligible registered voters turned out -- so we got I-594 foisted on us. Wasn't much better in many of the other traditionally "red" counties.
Fast forward six years, now comes I-1639. Same results.
Every gun shop (even Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabela's, Bass Pro) and gun show had the anti-initiative political posters, banners, ads, there were bumper stickers -- how could you be an RKBA defender and not be aware? Plain and simple -- as a group, we suck, .
No sorry - it's not significant, what is most significant is the fact that the vote happened entirely along party lines either for or against.217 to 213.
If the two Republicans who voted yes had voted no, it could have been 215 to 215, thus killing the AWB....
If the seven Democrats who voted no, had voted yes; and the same two Republicans voted no; it could have been 222 to 208.
If the seven Democrats voted yes instead no, and the two Republicans voted yes anyways, it would be 224 to 206.
It is more significant that seven Democrats voted no than that two Republicans voted yes. While yeah, it was significant that these two Republicans had sided with the party of gun control, the simple fact remains... if the same seven Democrats had voted yes, then these two Republicans' votes would have been relatively insignificant and the House AWB passed.
So the game is, how do WE get organized as well as them?That's because a small voracious, organized and militantly aggressive group can steer a huge group of people and stand up to much larger less-so forces.
That's literally the history of the US during the revolution and also (not that they are comparable) the history of Nazi movement and rise to power, Stalin in Russia, and Mao in China.
Grass roots advocacy seems to be the only viable method. People can't make sure to vote for/against something they know nothing about.So the game is, how do WE get organized as well as them?
And then we et to the problem of MAKING people care... the Average Mouthbreathing Retard refuses to ever read the gory details and insists "they'd NEVER do that to us" despite all prior evidence saying otherwise, then p--- and moan ehen it does get rammed up their rear about "why didn't YOU stop this"... *rolls eyes*Grass roots advocacy seems to be the only viable method. People can't make sure to vote for/against something they know nothing about.
I made sure when 594 was a ballot measure to explain to everyone in every circle I was in why they should vote "no" - politics is downstream of culture though so the real problem is cultural.
I like the phrase F (insert politician here) and F you for voting for (him/her)!And then we et to the problem of MAKING people care... the Average Mouthbreathing Retard refuses to ever read the gory details and insists "they'd NEVER do that to us" despite all prior evidence saying otherwise, then p--- and moan ehen it does get rammed up their rear about "why didn't YOU stop this"... *rolls eyes*
Steve Kirby is the ONE dude who did this to us with his key vote to let it out of committee, and if you support him YOU did this to us too.
There's a dude on TOS whose av says it all. A pic of Steve Austin with the words "Vote Blue? F You!"I like the phrase F (insert politician here) and F you for voting for (him/her)!
Being in Seattle / King county I don't recall a single thing I've ever voted for that went the way I wanted it to go except for the 2016 presidential election.
Thread close imminent for sure - but you can't have high expectations from people who support a political party that claims "men can get pregnant."There's a dude on TOS whose av says it all. A pic of Steve Austin with the words "Vote Blue? F You!"
To you so-called "pro-gun Dems,"*snorting laughter* YOU need to start cleaning house in your own party.
These are same people who proudly claim " I don't waste my time voting, it doesn't matter".And then we et to the problem of MAKING people care... the Average Mouthbreathing Retard refuses to ever read the gory details and insists "they'd NEVER do that to us" despite all prior evidence saying otherwise, then p--- and moan ehen it does get rammed up their rear about "why didn't YOU stop this"... *rolls eyes*