Fact check this disaster prep article (nuke specific).

[Bushman]

If a nuclear bomb explodes, these are the emergency supplies you should have prepared or grab on the run

Looks like some good info in there, I didn't know a lot of it since I don't really prep for this kind of event, but it's something I'm thinking about prepping for more and more.

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[ATCclears]

Personally, I'm more concerned about an EMP from a warhead detonated in the atmosphere.

 

[CountryGent]

I don't really prep for this kind of event, but it's something I'm thinking about prepping for more and more.

There is a thread here on NWFA that you might find of interest: Nuclear War Survival Books

Other than that, if you are interested in nuclear survival ebooks, shelter plans, etc., I can put together some resources for you. Cheers.

 

[bbbass]

Iodine.

 

[Bushman]

Personally, I'm more concerned about an EMP from a warhead detonated in the atmosphere.

An EMP from a solar flare is much more likely, and they happen quite regularly actually.

 

[Camelfilter]

If a nuke touched off on a civilian populace anywhere in the world, no matter whom delivered it, nor why, the global social and economic aftermath would be panic.

 

[wired]

Short qualifier. I was a NBC NCO with technical escort and radiographic track and helicopter recon qualifiers when I was in the Army. Year of training before I even got to my regular unit and then a bunch of time moving chemical and Nuclear weapons around. I was the guy advising the commander in case of nuclear or chemical attack.

Lets talk about the kind of weapon you are (not so ) likely to encounter. An "atomic" single stage deliverable weapon its going to be under 15 Kiloton and probably not the most efficient thing in the world meaning there will be moderately fallout outside the blast zone out to 40-50 miles depending on wind conditions.

I don't lose a second of sleep about EMP. You can as it seems to be popular but I don't. Keep in mind that the planes that dropped all those bombs on Japan and the Bikini islands kept on flying even after delivering hi altitude air bursts. Moderate shielding is very effective and the range is not that far. The article says that cell phones are acceptable forms of communications. Having been through moderate natural disasters that is a bunch of crap. Cell service is the first thing to go when everyone and their brother is making calls at the same time.

I carry potassium iodide in my truck and I have it at home. The article is somewhat right in that if you are in an area that has been hit by a direct blast and you manage to survive ( many people have ) you need to get the hell out of there and preferably to an area upwind as fast as possible but even downwind past 50 miles you don't need to worry about fallout that much. Just don't stay in the fallout zone and wear a dust mask while travelling. Keep in mind that several people survived the Hiroshima AND Nagasaki blasts ( both ) and were inside the blast radius.

Nukes , especially nukes from countries like North Korea, are simply insurance policies against invasion. Use them once and your country gets flattened. Our area has one or two real targets for a small actor. Seattle is really about it. Thats just because its a population center on the west coast. I'd be much more worried about San Francisco or L.A.. Good thing about Seattle as a target is the topography negates widespread blast and direct gamma dispersion.

 

[nwslopoke]

If a nuke touched off on a civilian populace anywhere in the world, no matter whom delivered it, nor why, the global social and economic aftermath would be panic.

It has happened (sort of) in Japan. Although their society wasn't as advanced as in our current time, we would lose more because we rely more on technology. But, even nukes has their limitations. A single nuke can take out a relatively small area but not a region.

I can't see China supporting NK in a first strike scenerio. It hasn't happened in 60 yrs and NK isn't worth the fallout especially since they're wrong. (Painting with a broad brush using my phone )

 

[Camelfilter]

It has happened (sort of) in Japan. Although their society wasn't as advanced as in our current time, we would lose more because we rely more on technology. But, even nukes has their limitations. A single nuke can take out a relatively small area but not a region.

I can't see China supporting NK in a first strike scenerio. It hasn't happened in 60 yrs and NK isn't worth the fallout especially since they're wrong. (Painting with a broad brush using my phone )

Yes, and the Japanese were and still are a uniquely strict hard working culture.

1/2 in the west would panic and cry for surrender or to pay whatever ransom, while a major portion would simply panic and raise all manor of rioting. Meanwhile global shipping transactions would cease, albeit temporarily, until a delivery method would be determined. Problem being, doing so would plumit economies on that same global scale. A downward spiral effect.

There'd be a run on K iodine, and soccer moms would poison there children's thyroids using black market pills half the globe away from it. Because some talking head on a cable show recommended they start a regimine "as a precaution". Meanwhile sensible news outlets would be overlooked (as is the norm).

 

[bbbass]

If a nuke touched off on a civilian populace anywhere in the world, no matter whom delivered it, nor why, the global social and economic aftermath would be panic.

When can we get started on this?

 

[bbbass]

I carry potassium iodide in my truck and I have it at home.

I'd be much more worried about San Francisco or L.A.. Good thing about Seattle as a target is the topography negates widespread blast and direct gamma dispersion.

See guys... I was telling ya about the iodine and was shocked that the article didn't mention it.

Seattle, L.A., Frisco... I'm not worried about them at all.

 

[HB of CJ]

EMP popped ABOVE the atmosphere. Not in it. In it, EMP only gets about 20 miles if that much. Our air dumps the frequency into heat. Iodine only if you get dosed which would only happen downwind from a surface burst. With small tactical nukes popped above ground, even if you get caught close downwind you would PROBABLY be OK. A non issue? NO. Would depend upon your RADS. Old definitions.

But a big dirty bomb? Yikes! Individual dosimeters come to mind for such.

Yep ... another Carrington event? A X1000 solar blast? Our sun right now is flat lining? Some say a solar minimum? Dunno. Not enough data. Seems the nasty solar flares happen during a sunspot maximum? Again, not enough data. We may be experiencing some climate dynamics. Weird weather. So what do you prep FOR? Perhaps the SHTF communication, transportation and power grid outage problems.

But mostly the people problem. Doesn't matter what from.

 

[Stomper]

Zinc Oxide, and sunscreen w/ SPF 4000 ought to get you through...

 

[Medic!]

What do you want to bet they keep the liquor stores open?

 

[Camelfilter]

EMP popped ABOVE the atmosphere. Not in it. In it, EMP only gets about 20 miles if that much. Our air dumps the frequency into heat. Iodine only if you get dosed which would only happen downwind from a surface burst. With small tactical nukes popped above ground, even if you get caught close downwind you would PROBABLY be OK. A non issue? NO. Would depend upon your RADS. Old definitions.

But a big dirty bomb? Yikes! Individual dosimeters come to mind for such.

Yep ... another Carrington event? A X1000 solar blast? Our sun right now is flat lining? Some say a solar minimum? Dunno. Not enough data. Seems the nasty solar flares happen during a sunspot maximum? Again, not enough data. We may be experiencing some climate dynamics. Weird weather. So what do you prep FOR? Perhaps the SHTF communication, transportation and power grid outage problems.

But mostly the people problem. Doesn't matter what from.

My simple understanding, could be woefully wrong, but it really doesn't matter if I'm woefully wrong, because we are discussing a nuclear event:

The K iodine will do nothing if you get dosed from radiation directly from the blast. You die from direct radiation, or depending upon your distance and shielding from the blast, you don't. Or you die slowly and horrifically.

K iodine is for mitigating radiation in the food chain from the fallout path, after an event.

Kinda along the lines of: event occurs, fallout path is slight in a grazing area, cows eat grass in slight area, you drink milk from cows whom ate grass in slight fallout path. K-iodine may help. May not help.

 

[Camelfilter]

What do you want to bet they keep the liquor stores open?

Jees I hope so. Would keep the trouble makers less troublesome.

 

[HB of CJ]

No dog. In the end a people problem. K I just loads up your body via the thyroid so hopefully you do not take on the nasty various isotopes. Consider the usual half lives of whatever radiation. Again it depends where you live, what you choose to eat for awhile and what you got dosed with directly via the nasty fallout. RAD is old terminology? Radiation absorbed dose.

Down here the physical causes of the common SHTF people problem would be 1) Seasonal nasty fast wild fires, big or small. 2) The Mega Thrust Cascadia Earthquake/tsunami. 3) A big solar flare and CME. 4) Some big world wide volcano. 5) Man caused nuke or EMP. 6) Asteroid strike where ever. 7) Gamma Ray burst direct hit. Not in correct order. Yikes!!

Not serious ...

Also ugly space aliens. Draconians. They have multiple tentacles, eye stalks, ooze yuck and they shiet through their 8 mouths. Lots of teeth. They stink also. They LOVE young kids still alive and screaming. Also cows and sheeple. The Draconian Empire Battle Cruisers are 5 miles long and are dripping with guns. The ships stink also. They will be here in 25.454 years.

 

[Camelfilter]

Not serious ...

Also ugly space aliens. Draconians. They have multiple tentacles, eye stalks, ooze yuck and they shiet through their 8 mouths. Lots of teeth. They stink also. They LOVE young kids still alive and screaming. Also cows and sheeple. The Draconian Empire Battle Cruisers are 5 miles long and are dripping with guns. The ships stink also. They will be here in 25.454 years.

Upside is that you can slather there muck on you, and it causes them confusion. So they move on without killing you.

Downside is it stinks so bad you kill yourself.

 

[CountryGent]

Also ugly space aliens. Draconians. They have multiple tentacles, eye stalks, ooze yuck and they shiet through their 8 mouths. Lots of teeth. They stink also.

I think I spotted one of their advanced scouts in Eugene not all that long ago.

 

[Stomper]

Are you sure Draconians have tentacles? I seem to remember Pricess Ardala of the Draconian Empire from Buck Rogers.... nice tentacles.