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Empty or loaded chamber

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by oknow, Nov 19, 2015.

  1. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    this has been discussed before but with a lot of new members maybe another go round.

    Sheriff's Tips: Empty Chambers

    by Jim WIlson - Friday, October 9, 2015


    Lately I have been hearing that a number of people are carrying their defensive semi-automatics without a round in the chamber. I suppose that this is most often done with a thought to increasing the safety of the handgun and avoiding a negligent discharge. However, it considerably defeats the purpose of the defensive handgun.

    A criminal attack often comes from very close range and with very little, if any, warning. A person simply may not have time to chamber a round in his or her pistol before the attacker is upon them. In addition, chambering a cartridge requires the use of both hands at a time when the support hand may be busy trying to fend off the attack or pushing a loved one out of the line of fire. From holster to on-target, one should be able to operate a defensive handgun with only one hand, should that become necessary.

    Some folks are concerned about a single-action semi-automatic having the hammer cocked back. I was too, back in the Dark Ages. But I took the time to get some professional training and learn the pistol. I soon found that they don't go off by themselves.

    Others are concerned about the fact that striker-fired pistols—like the Glock—have no external safeties. And they have heard stories about people who have accidentally shot themselves. Well, let me let you in on a little secret ... those are not accidents. They are nearly always a case of negligence—that is, someone fooling with the pistol and causing the trigger to be depressed when they didn't intend for it to be.

    In the case with any of the autoloading handguns, a good defensive instructor can teach a person to operate it safely and to carry it with a round in the chamber. Regardless of those people who think they are a born shooter—Wyatt Earp Jr.—nothing will benefit the defensive shooter like professional training. And proper and safe manipulation of the defensive handgun is an important part of that training.

    Regardless, there are those who just don't feel comfortable carrying any sort of semi-auto pistol with a round in the chamber. The solution is a simple one and it has been around for well over 100 years. Of course, I am talking about the double-action revolver. When the DA revolver is fully loaded, no springs are depressed and the hammer is not cocked back, yet it is ready to go at a moment's notice. A person who carries a pistol with an empty chamber is telling the world that they don't know what they are doing. I hope that those folks will get serious about their personal defense, get some professional training, and carry whatever defensive handgun they have confidence in. Whatever gun they choose, it should be ready to go when the attack comes.
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  2. BigBull 301

    BigBull 301 PDX almost Well-Known Member

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    Always cocked, locked and ready to rock......doc.
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  3. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    1 in the chamber and 8 in the mag.
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  4. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    My knife is more dangerous then my gun without a round in the chamber.....
  5. cmica

    cmica puy Active Member

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    cocked and locked you know that

    those few extra sec to rack em could cost you.
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  6. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    I carry concealed condition 3, chamber empty
    Autistic grandson grabbed for my gun.
    I expect unarmed contact combat if I'm attacked
    I expect time to rack should I hear, see an nearby fight.

    Acquired, practiced skill:
    Situational awareness
  7. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I carry a 5 shot DA revolver. All five chambers are loaded. I also carry a very quick to use knife. And I know how to use both.
  8. Aaron Todd

    Aaron Todd Harney county Active Member

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    Yes, one in the chamber. Although there are variables such as an autistic child or just unpredictable children that would definitely make me think twice.
  9. Ralph Brickley

    Ralph Brickley McMinnville, OR Member

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    I carry appendix location with a chamered round, no external safety. It took me a long time and training to get comfortable with it 'man junk' and all...I have found it to be extremely comfortable, very controllable (no one can grab it and if someone were to try you can collapse on yourself and its nearly impossible to grab, and after countless draw-reholster (empty) sessions the trigger was never accidentally depressed.

    Most stories you hear about accidents result from no to poor training, or someone who trained and became careless. An unloaded gun is just a decoration until its loaded. I have friends who have guns in their home but will never keep them loaded. To me that's more dangerous because in the event of an attack you'll be attempting to load the weapon while your attacker gains ground. You'll be distracted but the bad guys won't be.

    At the end of the day though you have to do what's most comfortable for you. Just be safe, and be armed!
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  10. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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    None of you guy's are doing it right!

    You need to keep four in the barrel. ;)

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  11. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter

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    I forget to pack one half the time, so I guess it doesn't matter much for me.
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  12. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Chamber carry! If you can't figure out how that works, sell your gun and carry sharp knitting needles! Guns are not magic, they are machines and not prone to magically going off!:cool:
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  13. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    But everyone knows to makes chamber music for the bad guy with their pump gun so to make poopy pants? lol
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  14. Charliehorse

    Charliehorse Cascade Mts - State of Jefferson USA Well-Known Member

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    And yes, I like my 1911 thumb safety and prefer a thumb break holster.
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  15. Vanillagerrilla

    Vanillagerrilla Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Always one in the chamber. 1911 has a safety for a reason, and my Sig P226 has a de-cocker for a reason... adrenaline.
    I used to carry my 1911 without a round in the chamber, because I always thought I would have time to rack the slide.
    But when the one time I had to "clear leather " when a thug with his hand in his waistband was approaching my family while we were in our car , alone and in an empty parking lot, he was on us faster than I couldve safely racked a round and responded. Luckily ,he saw the barrel and made a hasty 180 degree course correction.
    But that was the last time I carried without one ready to go.
    When seconds count.... don't add more.
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  16. Rockys

    Rockys Clark county Member

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    I just point a laser at them. Stops any bad guy in their tracks. Or 2 if I want to make them really scared. That and an mp3 playing of a shotgun pumping.
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  17. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Ha! I can just see ya going for your pen laser behind the ear. Your taped up glasses go flying as you try to cue up the shotgun bite on the mp 3. That would make a great skit on Sat Live.:p
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  18. Deebow

    Deebow Portland Well-Known Member

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    Is that even a question?
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  19. salmonriverjohn

    salmonriverjohn N.W Oregon coast, Gods country Well-Known Member

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    5 grand kids in and out of the house, when I'm at home the chambers empty, when I'm not there's one in the chamber/d-cocked and the safety on. One flick of the thumb and it's ready.
    To each they're own, but when the potential of untrained little hands are near my cc.. Well let's just say I ain't gonna go there
  20. spectra

    spectra The Couve Moderator Staff Member

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    Always one in the chamber...........I even have a few in the safe that way......