Diane Fienstein wastes no time...

[Misterbill]

One can only hope that all of the pro 2A justices hang in there until we are free from obama and his ilk

Or one can actually do the work and CALL and WRITE Senators, including those not in their party, who might be amenable to a conversation.
Education is all it takes to get someone on to out side unless there is a maniacal inclination the other way.

This is what I've been preaching for years. We HAVE all the facts and data on OUR side of this issue. We just need to get past the propaganda and misinformation of the other side.

That gun control DOESN'T REDUCE VIOLENT CRIME is no longer a debatable issue for anyone with an interest in the empirical data. We KNOW BETTER. I give a free pass to anyone who thought differently in 1980. We KNOW BETTER NOW. It's not up for debate.

The issue for the Senate is to decide that if someone is radically opposed to private gun ownership IN SPITE of the FACT that private gun ownership can be CONCLUSIVELY de-linked from crime rates, that maybe they are staking out a radical position.

Anyone Remember Lani Guennir from the 1990s? She was killed from the nomination because the position she was taking on Affirmative Action was something that had been CONCLUSIVELY DISPROVED. She was considered too radical to be a serious nominee. We have FAR BETTER DATA about gun ownership now. Why our so-called "friends" in the senate are not making this as much of an issue as they do ABORTION, whi has FAR LESS data to support their position, speaks volumes about the GOP's commitment to gun rights.

 

[fd15k]

One can only hope that all of the pro 2A justices hang in there until we are free from obama and his ilk

Right, because Obama being there for 4 years is a bigger problem than Feinstein being there for 30

 

[Kelzebubba]

Actually this citation goes even more to the contrary and doesn't answer the question. Everything else is just a speculation.

Oh it answers it, but I am plenty sure both of the monopoly parties candidates have a take your guns away play. Just how they go about it would be different.

 

[fd15k]

Oh it answers it, but I am plenty sure both of the monopoly parties candidates have a take your guns away play. Just how they go about it would be different.

I thought about it a bit more, and I think you're right.

 

[Kevatc]

Topic? Forgot Limbaugh? What does Limbaugh have to do with Fienstein and an AWB or the topic for that matter? Speaking of bloviating fools this is relevant to what?

I was responding to post #10. Misterbill was commenting on the credibility of some folks on the right side of the political spectrum when it came to some gun stuff. Misterbill mentioned a couple of folks who have turned out to lack any credibility on anything. I simply added Limbaugh's name. Is Limbaugh and bloviating fool not two things that go together like beer and pizza?

 

[Kevatc]

We have FAR BETTER DATA about gun ownership now. Why our so-called "friends" in the senate are not making this as much of an issue as they do ABORTION, whi has FAR LESS data to support their position, speaks volumes about the GOP's commitment to gun rights.

Amen.

 

[Stomper]

I simply added Limbaugh's name. Is Limbaugh and bloviating fool not two things that go together like beer and pizza?

... or Chris Mathews like leg-tingling Kool-aid and sugar-cookies?

 

[cueball1214]

Seriously, I don't understand why anyone votes for these idiots? They publicly state that they want to take away our rights and liberties while taxing us more (Remember: Obama Care is considered a tax) and they get elected and reelected. I have always voted independent and leaned slightly towards the democrats but they threw me completely off of their part with their latest platform and their recent agenda. The truth is that I may even go as far as to register as a Republican. This is supposed to be a free country and these crazy people are turning it into a nanny state while bankrupting social security and racking up so much debt that my daughter will see the country owned by China. Enough is enough, please look at everything including your 2nd amendment rights and start voting for freedom.

Half of America wants stuff. They feel that the government needs to be in control of everything. And with the economy down since 9/11, there is a lot of contempt for people that are doing well and making money while others are unemployed/under employed. The GOP has always been viewed as the rich white elite. The people playing golf while the rest of the population lines up for soup. And that't the platform the Dem's went on. These people don't seemed to be concerned with gun rights, which is unfortunet. if you look at DC or Chicago, when the hand gun bans went into effect, Crime jumped. What is going to stop someone who is already braking the law, to not carry a gun. Just like someone looking or selling crack, making it illegal is not going to stop criminals, arming the law abiding is going to prevent crimes. That is what they don't understand in my opinion. How do you take rights away little by little form the people? Give them stuff. Give them food, money, gas, health care,-take away guns while they are not looking.

 

[AlphaCoyote]

Half of America wants stuff.

Like roads and bridges and firefighters and police and safe water and clean air and proficient schools and a decent national defense? Way more than 50%.

 

[Kelzebubba]

Half of America wants stuff. They feel that the government needs to be in control of everything. And with the economy down since 9/11, there is a lot of contempt for people that are doing well and making money while others are unemployed/under employed. The GOP has always been viewed as the rich white elite. The people playing golf while the rest of the population lines up for soup. And that't the platform the Dem's went on. These people don't seemed to be concerned with gun rights, which is unfortunet. if you look at DC or Chicago, when the hand gun bans went into effect, Crime jumped. What is going to stop someone who is already braking the law, to not carry a gun. Just like someone looking or selling crack, making it illegal is not going to stop criminals, arming the law abiding is going to prevent crimes. That is what they don't understand in my opinion. How do you take rights away little by little form the people? Give them stuff. Give them food, money, gas, health care,-take away guns while they are not looking.

It is pretty simple actually. Socialism is the answer. The problem we have is that too many people, the GOP included, seem to get Socialism and Communism confused. Socialism in essence is that the people of a collective society as a whole own everything. The native Americans pre-european taint would be the prime example of socialism. Sure they had a chief and all, but there was no ownership, because everyone owned everything. Communism is where the government owns everything, and decides who gets what. That is what is going on with this country. They are yelling the Obama administration is socialistic, when it is really communistic.

If we had true socialism then all would be fine. Unfortunately we are being put in a position to kneel to the government.

 

[cueball1214]

Like roads and bridges and firefighters and police and safe water and clean air and proficient schools and a decent national defense? Way more than 50%.

Not at all. Those are services that are all ready supplied by the government with our taxes. Also as i said later on in my post, i did not mention any thing about bridges, firefighters, police, water air or schools, or defense. What i was trying to say, and maybe i did not doing the best at it. Is that the government will offer intensive services to more and more people, the more they give, they more people will let them take.

 

[Kelzebubba]

Not at all. Those are services that are all ready supplied by the government with our taxes. Also as i said later on in my post, i did not mention any thing about bridges, firefighters, police, water air or schools, or defense. What i was trying to say, and maybe i did not doing the best at it. Is that the government will offer intensive services to more and more people, the more they give, they more people will let them take.

Governor Romney, we know this is you, and what you think of the 47%. Could you please go away before you damage the GOP anymore?

 

[Jamie6.5]

Governor Romney, we know this is you, and what you think of the 47%. Could you please go away before you damage the GOP anymore?

Says the socialist.
:nuts:

 

[Kelzebubba]

Says the socialist.
:nuts:

Okay, well I can assure you that when you have a man who controls all the resources and makes 10 million a year, and the 10 people that work for that person make less that $40K a year that is fine, because the average pay for all 11 people is over $900K. I am not even saying take %50, I think if the gent paid his employees more they might be able to spend more, meaning that he could make more. Heck, most wal-mart employees can't even afford to shop where they work... It really should tell you something. I think it is something that should not be enforced by the the big bubba guvment though. I think people need to not work for pennies.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Okay, well I can assure you that when you have a man who controls all the resources and makes 10 million a year, and the 10 people that work for that person make less that $40K a year that is fine, because the average pay for all 11 people is over $900K. I am not even saying take %50, I think if the gent paid his employees more they might be able to spend more, meaning that he could make more. Heck, most wal-mart employees can't even afford to shop where they work... It really should tell you something. I think it is something that should not be enforced by the the big bubba guvment though. I think people need to not work for pennies.

And I know that if you were confronted with the tax rates in the euro-socialist countries you'd be hollering bloody murder.

Take Sweden for instance:
Sweden Tax Rates

Sweden------Income Tax Rate--------Corporate Tax Rate--------VAT Rate

------------57.77%tax-rates-up-------------26.3%----------------25%

Total that one up! An average tax rate of 109% !?!
On average, EVERY Swedish Krona (their "dollar") passes through the government's hands at some point.

And before you blah-blah-blah about corporate tax rates, try to remember that corporate taxes get passed on to the consumer in Sweden the same way they do everywhere else.

Finland averages 100%,
Norway averages 93%,
France averages 93%, and their top rate, as dictated by Hollande, of 75% hasn't been calculated yet.
That figure is based on their old peak rate of 40%.

Here, pick a favorite and check for yourself:
<broken link removed>

 

[Kelzebubba]

And I know that if you were confronted with the tax rates in the euro-socialist countries you'd be hollering bloody murder.

Take Sweden for instance:
Sweden Tax Rates

Sweden------Income Tax Rate--------Corporate Tax Rate--------VAT Rate

------------57.77%tax-rates-up-------------26.3%----------------25%

Total that one up! An average tax rate of 109% !?!
On average, EVERY Swedish Krona (their "dollar") passes through the government's hands at some point.

And before you blah-blah-blah about corporate tax rates, try to remember that corporate taxes get passed on to the consumer in Sweden the same way they do everywhere else.

Finland averages 100%,
Norway averages 93%,
France averages 93%, and their top rate, as dictated by Hollande, of 75% hasn't been calculated yet.
That figure is based on their old peak rate of 40%.

Your key word in this entire statement is GOVERNMENT. The GOVERNMENT should not be redistributing wealth. However thanks to greedy folks taking and taking, and not caring about those they trample to get where they are, and yes, a majority of those who are rich, wealthy, and powerful did not get that way through honest means. I have seen most of those in higher positions do very bad things to pad their pockets at the detrement of others. That is the problem.

That creates the issue of allowing a communist government to take over. Because when you only allow a small percentage to stay at the top, they no longer hold the majority. In a democratic form of government, once that level of oppression from greed occurs, it turns into a communist form of government.

Now, since you obviously do math the GOP way, in manipulating percentages to reach your means. Let's say I am an individual that makes $100,000 in Sweden.

Take Sweden for instance:
Sweden Tax Rates

Sweden------Income Tax Rate--------Corporate Tax Rate--------VAT Rate

------------57.77%tax-rates-up-------------26.3%----------------25%

Well, $57,770 is gone in my income tax, leaving me with $42,230 dollars. Well, I am not a corporation, so that $26.3 doesn't mean anything to me the individual. Then the VAT tax rate is like a sales tax, so if I spend $30,000 of the what I have, I have an additional $7,500. That leaves me with $4,730. According to your horribly incorrect and misleading math, I should owe the government money for working... Last time I checked corporations did not have income, they have profits, the corp pays 26.3% on all of its profits, then the individuals with an income get that 57.77% tax, then the VAT tax rate is a consumption tax. It works like so... The seller charges VAT to the buyer, and the seller pays this VAT to the government. If, however, the purchaser is not an end user, but the goods or services purchased are costs to its business, the tax it has paid for such purchases can be deducted from the tax it charges to its customers.

Congratulations you can add three numbers that don't stack and say they do. It is similar to the GOP stance of "fair share" of taxes. If I make $1mil and you make $100K and we are both charged 10% for tax, then I pay $100K (the amount you made in a year) and you only pay $10K. THe thing is we were both deprived of 10%, the same "share" of our income pies, it was cut into 10 pieces, and we both had 1 piece taken away. The problem we have is companies like GE go and make hundreds of millions of dollars, and they have no piece of their pie taken away. Now the issue here is that someone's pie is bigger, but the number of pieces taken away are the same, that is what makes it "fair"

Instead the GOP says, I pay $100K in taxes and you pay $10K, I pay 10x more. They forget to mention they make 10x more and their tax write off on business expenses is probably more than you make in a year as well... I am sick of the elitist crap. I work hard for what I have, but the GOP has done nothing for me, nor ever will. I am not on welfare/foodstamps/public assistance, and hope I never will be. However I am totally sick of all the damned greed out there. That is the problem, we need to have decent people in charge.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Corporations don't pay taxes. They pass them on in the form of price increases.

Corporate taxes are part of overhead. As such, they get factored in to the price of the corporation's goods and services. They are treated the same as the electric bill, shipping costs, property taxes, maintenance charges, equipment upgrades, fuel costs etc. on the balance sheet.

This is a universal principle. Those that fail to recognize it, fail in business.

So when a Swede buys domestic goods, the taxes levied on the supplier are passed on to their customer.
Then if their goods are a VAT taxable item, the customer/consumer pays that too.

Go ahead and stack them.
It's accurate.
That's why the website I linked has them in their calculations.

Of the $30K you spent on domestic goods, you only actually purchased $26,844 worth of goods. The rest went to taxes on profits the producer paid with your purchases.

But hey, maybe in your socialist utopia, you have figured out how to do away with all that, and everything will be free.

 

[AlphaCoyote]

Good news is she is 79, and won't be kicking for much longer.

Wishing death on someone whose views I oppose? Sorry, not down with that.

 

[AlphaCoyote]

And I know that if you were confronted with the tax rates in the euro-socialist countries you'd be hollering bloody murder.

Take Sweden for instance:
Sweden Tax Rates

Sweden------Income Tax Rate--------Corporate Tax Rate--------VAT Rate

------------57.77%tax-rates-up-------------26.3%----------------25%

Total that one up! An average tax rate of 109% !?!
On average, EVERY Swedish Krona (their "dollar") passes through the government's hands at some point.

And before you blah-blah-blah about corporate tax rates, try to remember that corporate taxes get passed on to the consumer in Sweden the same way they do everywhere else.

Finland averages 100%,
Norway averages 93%,
France averages 93%, and their top rate, as dictated by Hollande, of 75% hasn't been calculated yet.
That figure is based on their old peak rate of 40%.

Here, pick a favorite and check for yourself:
<broken link removed>

Uh, your bugaboo socialist countries, Sweden and Norway, have GDP per capita higher than the US. List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Higher progressive tax rates don't corrolate with lower economic growth.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Feinstein is nothing but a one percenter disguised as a liberal so she can manipulate the system for her own financial benefit. She is a woman that has married one rich husband after another then got nto politics to secure their own wealth and status. She is one of the richest senators and keeps all her money in blind trusts to avoid scrutiny of her conflicts of interest with the legislation she proposes. She has managed in her short time in congress, during a time others are struggling, to quadruple her own already vast wealth.