Concealed Carry in Las Vegas?

[Diamondback]

Have the fXXXers pushing this stick their nutsacks in the machine all day for a week and get back to me then.

Betcha they won't...

 

[ma96782]

Some hotels have their own private SWAT teams now;

I wonder.......

Did the room occupant sign a contract that STATED that he couldn't have a firearm in his room?

HOTEL POLICY?
Rrrrright......show me where I have agreed to the policy to be stripped of my 2nd A right to keep and bear arms while I'm in my rented room?

Security/Management asking/requesting to search my rented room?

Nope. Now, please leave.

So then......you're NOT gonna leave me alone. Mind you that I've already paid and have taken up occupancy within. REALLY. OK then, refund my money and I'm leaving. YOU happy now?

BUT I suspect that the Hotel will/may NOT refund my money.

So what should/could I do? Small claims court?

Hummmm......BUT, But, but......I suspect that most of us will probably be a "tourist/visitor" to LV. So, filing a small claims action and coming back would probably be out of the question. So then.....I wonder if.....some hungry lawyer might want to take up a "class action law suit"?

If not, perhaps contact the media and make a "BIG stink" (about how you were treated)?

Sojourn.
Wouldn't/shouldn't your Constitutional Rights apply here too? Maybe, there is or isn't, some case law to study here?



Aloha, Mark

 

[ma96782]

Seems to me that bombarding the general public with high level RF (X-Ray) energy would had some sort of ill effects on...I don't know?....say the testicles or something?

Well now-a-days......just being exposed to some burning trash (or whatever) on a military base counts for something. Sooooo.......

Aloha, Mark

 

[Nosferatu]

I wonder.......

Did the room occupant sign a contract that STATED that he couldn't have a firearm in his room?

HOTEL POLICY?
Rrrrright......show me where I have agreed to the policy to be stripped of my 2nd A right to keep and bear arms while I'm in my rented room?

Read the paperwork you sign when you check in.

Security/Management asking/requesting to search my rented room?

Nope. Now, please leave.

Their house, their rules. Same as your home.

So then......you're NOT gonna leave me alone. Mind you that I've already paid and have taken up occupancy within. REALLY. OK then, refund my money and I'm leaving. YOU happy now?

BUT I suspect that the Hotel will/may NOT refund my money.

Probably not. You broke the rule. I'm sure the refund policy is in that paperwork you signed at check in.

So what should/could I do? Small claims court?

Hummmm......BUT, But, but......I suspect that most of us will probably be a "tourist/visitor" to LV. So, filing a small claims action and coming back would probably be out of the question. So then.....I wonder if.....some hungry lawyer might want to take up a "class action law suit"?

Again, their house, their rules.

If not, perhaps contact the media and make a "BIG stink" (about how you were treated)?

Might as well write them a bad yelp review. You'd get the same amount of "justice".

Sojourn.
Wouldn't/shouldn't your Constitutional Rights apply here too? Maybe, there is or isn't, some case law to study here?

Private property. They can do what they want outside of any anti-discrimination laws.

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Aloha, Mark

 

[ma96782]

Good on you.....to bring up the FACT that I should read ALL paperwork prior to taking up occupancy or signing a document (Hotel Register).

LOL. Though I don't normally read the "small" print.
Not to mention, that I might have reserved my room via the internet web site and perhaps (and I don't really recall if) there was any mention of a NO FIREARMS POLICY.

BUT.......anyway, yeah......it's probably just another, "First World Problem" to address. Mind you that even HUD had a no firearms policy that was later found to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. BUT, you'll have to litigate to get anywhere (with some folks and agencies/companies).

Yeah......HUD is "public housing".......while a HOTEL is "private property". Though it is a "public accommodation" so.......

As for "discrimination". Well, exercising one's CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS should now be considered an option?

Example: Using the Hotel's internet. So, does the Hotel (on their own or say, at the request of Law Enforcement) have a right to spy on your correspondence/e-mail with your wife, business contacts, etc..... etc....?

WAIT......I don't recall reading THAT in the POLICY either.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Nosferatu]

Good on you.....to bring up the FACT that I should read ALL paperwork prior to taking up occupancy or signing a document (Hotel Register).

I wasn't being snarky, just stating that the policy is likely in the check in agreement, which you sign and agree to before accepting the keys.

LOL. Though I don't normally read the "small" print.
Not to mention, that I might have reserved my room via the internet web site and perhaps (and I don't really recall if) there was any mention of a NO FIREARMS POLICY.

I can't say I read it all either, mostly skim it for anything that would stand out as odd. I mind my own business and don't draw attention to myself when I'm in hotels. I also keep my carry gun with me whenever I can, including inside my room, despite any policy. The repercussions of this decision are my own to bear.

Yeah......HUD is "public housing".......while a HOTEL is "private property". Though it is a "public accommodation" so.......

Sort of, it's available to the general public, as long as you follow their rules.

As for "discrimination". Well, exercising one's CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS should now be considered an option?

You can remove someone from your house for saying something you don't like or carrying a gun. Same goes for a hotel.

Example: Using the Hotel's internet. So, does the Hotel have a right to spy on your correspondence/e-mail with your wife?

There's other laws that govern that. They do log all your traffic though. Again, there is another policy you agree to abide to before you sign onto their network.

 

[Koda]

You can remove someone from your house for saying something you don't like or carrying a gun. Same goes for a hotel.

True, but I think anyone whos open to the public for business should not be allowed to infringe on their customers constitutional rights.

 

[Flopsweat]

I wasn't being snarky, just stating that the policy is likely in the check in agreement, which you sign and agree to before accepting the keys.


I can't say I read it all either, mostly skim it for anything that would stand out as odd. I mind my own business and don't draw attention to myself when I'm in hotels. I also keep my carry gun with me whenever I can, including inside my room, despite any policy. The repercussions of this decision are my own to bear.


Sort of, it's available to the general public, as long as you follow their rules.


You can remove someone from your house for saying something you don't like or carrying a gun. Same goes for a hotel.


There's other laws that govern that. They do log all your traffic though. Again, there is another policy you agree to abide to before you sign onto their network.

I'm pretty sure I have the right to be secure in my person, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures. My hotel room is my domicile for the duration of the time I've paid for. You can knock on my door, and I may even answer it, but if you want to come in, bring cops with a warrant. If you've got some fine print you want to quibble over, I've got an attorney for that.

Edit: What @Koda said.

 

[Nosferatu]

I'm pretty sure I have the right to be secure in my person, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures. My hotel room is my domicile for the duration of the time I've paid for. You can knock on my door, and I may even answer it, but if you want to come in, bring cops with a warrant. If you've got some fine print you want to quibble over, I've got an attorney for that.

Edit: What @Koda said.

I'm referring to hotel staff. The police absolutely cannot enter your room without a warrant, even if the staff wishes to permit them.

 

[ma96782]

Forgetabout......"snarky". That wasn't even on my RADAR and I apologize if you were OFFENDED, as that was NEVER my intent.

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So? How many pages (assuming, regular sized print) of notices/rules/warning/etc......did I agree to.......before renting that room? Mind you that.....I admit that....I don't normally READ ALL of a "USERS AGREEMENT". Say, before signing up : to rent a room or, to use a website, or app (amongst the many other stuff that we may encounter on a daily basis).

And, we all know that almost anything can be written in and will/might just probably be enforceable when included in most any document Given the LOGIC that....."he/she had agreed to and signed it". LOL, Yeah......I can remember that time when.......

7,500 Online Shoppers Unknowingly Sold Their Souls

7,500 Online Shoppers Unknowingly Sold Their Souls

www.huffpost.com

Anyway......
Yes, there are lines.
And/but not all of them have been clearly drawn or recognized.
Example : "Public accommodation" or even for a "Business open to the public", etc..... etc.....

Who would have thought that a gay couple could force a baker to make them a wedding cake? BUT THEN.......an artist could NOT be forced to paint a portrait of someone making the request?

Whatever......THAT'S ALL......way above my pay grade.

BUT, But, but......who knows? Within a few years maybe.......I might be sued (or go to jail or spend some prison time) for calling someone by an incorrect pronoun.

For me.....
Generally......YES......PRIVATE is PRIVATE.
However IMHO......the rules change when you've been given a "special status and/or have special laws written to HELP you and/or your particular business or situation". In other words.....the amount of protections and liability, that one could claim to be PRIVATE are changing/changeable. And of course, situations could differ, not to mention that, it could have been all right there (in the small print).* Case Law......will......in some, if not most cases......have already given us the answers. Though.......of course.......society is changing.

Aloha, Mark

*I can remember that time, when a Judge decided that the 10 point font (from a dot matrix printer) wasn't acceptable. Because, it looked smaller than what he was accustomed to seeing with the old typewritten documents.

Rrrrright.....even when the statute said that a 10 point font was an acceptable size. Whatever. Growing pains.....I guess.

 

[ma96782]

I'm referring to hotel staff. The police absolutely cannot enter your room without a warrant, even if the staff wishes to permit them.

Police entering w/o a warrant.....is MORE about......the evidence that is gathered. It will not be admissible in a Court of Law (at a criminal trial). Of course there are CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS already recognized in law.

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Now (example)......say that the hotel security (or hotel cleaners/staff/management) decided to make entry w/o a warrant or w/o your expressed permission (as the renter). What sort of contraband did they happen to find? Yeah....maybe there was a list of prohibited items in that document you signed when you took the hotel's room key. Say that.....you're in VIOLATION. Hummmm..... That unlocked/unsecured firearm that was left near your bedside, while you went out downstairs (for whatever reason). Well, then.....the HOTEL STAFF might/could just decide to terminate your stay. Say, as of now.

And the refund? As pointed out......it may or may not be forth coming. And of course, civil cases are different from criminal cases.

Give the evidence to the LEOs (for criminal prosecution).....yeah, it's happened.

But.......was the "search" carried out as an AGENT (wink, wink, at the request) of the Law Enforcement Agency? Well, that's another can of worms to deal with.

Aloha, Mark

 

[JohnnyMac]

It isn't high level X ray.

TBH, I don't care how much it is. Any that I don't ask for is too much.

 

[gmerkt]

One way to avoid Las Vegas hassles and tawdriness is to not go there. I avoid it if at all possible. The last time I was coming back from AZ, I just stayed on Highway 95 and kept on going. As a vacation destination, completely unthinkable.

I prefer just about any other place in Nevada. From nearly abandoned ex mining towns to Reno. Yes, Reno is a large city with its own problems but infinitely more desirable to visit than Las Vegas.

 

[User 1234]

Don't care.

Your post wasn't the one that asserted it was high level x ray.

 

[Flopsweat]

I'm referring to hotel staff. The police absolutely cannot enter your room without a warrant, even if the staff wishes to permit them.

So am I. If the hotel wants to enter my room without my permission, they're in for a legal shetstorm. I don't care what I signed.

 

[ma96782]

RE : Contracts and Terms of Service

I wonder if I missed it when I bought that airline ticket?

https://www.thestreet.com/travel/air-canada-vomit-scandal?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO&yptr=yahoo

But, But, but....the seats were "cleaned".

From the article.....

.....the pilot came down the aisle and very calmly knelt down and told the two ladies that they had two choices: They could leave the plane on their own accord and organize flights on their own dime, or they would be escorted off the plane by security and placed on a no fly list!"

Aloha, Mark

 

[Certaindeaf]

This is why when I want to gamble I go to taco bell.

 

[Nosferatu]

This is why when I want to gamble I go to taco bell.

AKA Toxic Belch.

 

[JohnnyMac]

AKA Toxic Belch.

Best case scenario....

 

[Diamondback]

No sh-t, Taco Hell processed through my guts got a stinker prof fired... that alone should tell you how bad an idea eating there is.