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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by duginsky, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. duginsky

    duginsky Tualatin Active Member

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    Anyone looking to break the law (13 USC Sec. 221) and decline to respond to the Census? I am disinclined to agree with the rationale for it. It seems to be one way to identify reasons to justify federal spending on entitlement and other programs of which I am personally not in favor of. It's troubling to me that it is unlawful to decline to participate in it. Maybe others feel differently.
     
  2. elsullo

    elsullo Portland Oregon New Member

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    So, if you become sick or injured and lose your income, then you DON'T want your proper share of "entitlement" money? When you are old and want your Social Security retirement money, you're "not in favor of" getting your fair share of those entitlements? And you don't want your state to have its proper share of Federal school support money, or highway funds, or National Park maintenance, or etc., etc.?

    And in the meanwhile, you don't want your state to have its proper number of Representatives in Congress to vote against things you are "not in favor of"?

    Sure, better to not log in as an anonymous citizen, just to spite "THEM". Yah, spite is really important against "THEM". Now, if only citizens against "entitlements" would decline their share of them when their time comes.......................elsullo :cool:
     
  3. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with some parts of the census and I do think it provides some necessary information, but does anyone know what the minimum required info is. I read thru my form yesterday and they ask a bunch of questions appear to be fishing for info to justify some kind of immigration reform. Putting my tinfoil hat on here.

    Would it be considered non-compliance if I just replied as to how many people were at my location and what gender?
     
  4. Sasquatchvnv

    Sasquatchvnv Port Orchard Active Member

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    The only constitutional use for the census is to ensure the proper number of representatives to congress. Every other request for information that is tacked on has no basis in the constitution. IF I trusted that further information would be kept safe, and not abused, I would have no problem answering their questions. I DO NOT trust that this will be the case. The only way they will get any more information from me other than the number of residents at my home is to break out the rack for torture (it does seem that they are perfectly willing to go there based on a recent rash of presidential directives signed by both Bush and Obama). Once the trust is gone - it's gone. There is a website that goes into this issue in depth, and tells you how to avoid providing the requested information and avoid the fines. I will post it when I find it again. Basically the guy that did all the homework on the legality surrounding civil disobedience re:the census form makes the following recommendations: 1) Do not mutilate or otherwise disfigure the form. 2) Do not partially complete the form. 3) Do not fail to return the form. 4) Do not provide false information on the form. 5) DO attach a cover letter stating your objection to providing the requested information (he provides references to case law for you to include in your cover letter if you so desire).
     
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  5. duginsky

    duginsky Tualatin Active Member

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    I just feel that is my own responsibility to provide for my future in retirement, as well as in disability - not the government. I do not rely on social security as a means for existence when I retire, and I would much rather be responsible for deciding where and how that money is invested and by whom. I also don't feel that it is govenment's responsibility to provide education and determine what that consists of. I could go on about what I do and don't want the government to spend my money on, and I suspect that some we might all agree on, others not so.

    By and large I personally feel the congressional representatives in place cover some facsimilie of the status quo, but are hobbled by a 2-party system, and not always representative of what my views are. It's hard for me to not be cynical about our federal legislative bodies.

    I don't know that spite has anything to do with it, but I hope/prefer to be able to be independent of entitlements if/when my time comes. I would ratehr be personally accountable for what was done with that money in the interim.

    I also suspect that in terms of determining numbers for a given congressional or other district/need that there are already demographics in place that would suffice versus the need for a complex bureaucracy.

    Just my opinions.
     
  6. phathom

    phathom Vancouver, WA Member

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    I don't see a problem with it, filled it out, just haven't sent it out yet. All they ask is name DOB, gender and race. You really submit a whole lot more when you buy a registered gun or your CHL.
     
  7. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I got the long form with a WHOLE lot more questions than that which don't seem to have anything to do with enumerating the poplulation.
     
  8. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    I wrote 03 on the number of occupants, sealed it and mailed it, that is all that is constitutionally required.
     
  9. phathom

    phathom Vancouver, WA Member

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    Really? Hmmm, thinking I might grab some white out.
     
  10. parsons_12b

    parsons_12b LaPine Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I put American down for ethnicity
     
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  11. dobeman

    dobeman Hillsboro Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    good ideas. I'm answering the how many question and American. Any further racial profiling needs doing, government has other ways to get it.

    The way I see it, the only purpose drilling down on racial profile is for redistricting - or in other words, selective representation and selective allocation of entitlements. I don't want the stinking entitlements. They are immoral.
     
  12. Sasquatchvnv

    Sasquatchvnv Port Orchard Active Member

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    PERFECT! +1 :thumbup:
     
  13. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Same here. Number of occupants. Mailed. Finished.
     
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    claypigeon Salem Member

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    I don't know if anyone noticed that question number 1 (how many people in your home) is in it's own box with instructions and how to count the numer of people in your home. The rest of the questions are outside the box. They made a point to seperate them.
     
  15. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Good point. I noticed the same thing.
     
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    dobeman Hillsboro Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    anyone notice radio ads for the census, about how you can be fined and/or face prosecution for not answering the census correctly? Of course the ad has the friendly sounding voice... what happens if you just don't send it in?
     
  17. Mattiosmaximos

    Mattiosmaximos Blachly Member

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    I'm fortunate enough to know my back ground so I included all 6 in there form just to be a smart ***. Cherokee, Choctaw, Blackfoot, German, Portuguese and Dutch lets see them file me under one thing!
    I'm defiantly getting a call back.:laugh:
     
  18. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Father n' law did just that. Tossed it.

    I'm sure he'll be getting a call or somebody will be stopping by to ask him those questions.
     
  19. Sasquatchvnv

    Sasquatchvnv Port Orchard Active Member

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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I filled in race as, "human" for all five living under my roof.
     
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