Camping only for the rich, now.

[eklarsen]

A lot of big timber companies that own land used to be pretty laid back about letting the public use it. The problem is so many leave garbage behind or worse. So they started charging people to use it to deter the general population from destroying it.

It is, afterall, their land and not yours.

This is true if they are paying the same tax rate I am paying for property, if they get a break on taxes, which I believe they do, then it would not be so straight ahead.

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

A lot of big timber companies that own land used to be pretty laid back about letting the public use it. The problem is so many leave garbage behind or worse. So they started charging people to use it to deter the general population from destroying it.

It is, afterall, their land and not yours.

this! go camp in the wilderness.

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

$2600. For 8 RV's. For an entire year? That's $27/month per RV.

$500 for 1 RV for a year. That's $41.66/month.

Dirt cheap, TBH. Most state parks charge $15-25/month for a tent. These are RV's.

the prices are what they are due to YEARS of land being trashed and to keep the scum out. im not surprised nor mad about it. if one owns the land, they can do whatever they want. if i wanna camp for free, i go to the wilderness.

 

[Kruel J]

the prices are what they are due to YEARS of land being trashed and to keep the scum out. im not surprised nor mad about it. if one owns the land, they can do whatever they want. if i wanna camp for free, i go to the wilderness.

Yes sir!

 

[EUGENE the REALTOR]

Private property. If it were my property I'd probably do the same thing. I don't think I'd want people camping on my property without my permission. I definitely wouldn't want to spend my time/money cleaning up after people. Seems like they are offering great rates too. I'd be all over that if I was closer.

 

[PNWguy]

the prices are what they are due to YEARS of land being trashed and to keep the scum out. im not surprised nor mad about it. if one owns the land, they can do whatever they want. if i wanna camp for free, i go to the wilderness.

That wasn't the case in this area. I have been camping there for 40 years and it has remained the same for all that time.

Private property. If it were my property I'd probably do the same thing. I don't think I'd want people camping on my property without my permission. I definitely wouldn't want to spend my time/money cleaning up after people. Seems like they are offering great rates too. I'd be all over that if I was closer.

Not really. We're not talking about a few acres with a cabin on it and a landowner wanting trespassers kept off.

We're talking about millions of acres of plots of land intertwined with public land that has been open to public use for decades.

Then suddenly, they decided that they didn't want the public on their land without charging a ton of money.

And yes, over here where America hasn't quite been taken completely over by socialists and leftists, paying $500 a year for a camping spot is absolutely ridiculous. We get 4 months of camping season. If you go camping once a month during that season, you would be paying $125 each time to go camping.

This area has been utilized by families of the region for generations and was a handy and economical way to enjoy the outdoors.

And you may have missed the part where ALL of the people leasing the spots were from out of the area and appear to be employed by the corporation.

When Democrats start ranting about corporate greed and the evils of capitalism, it is exactly this type of behavior that makes their case.

Yes, the company has the right to shut down the woods to public use. But was it the most moral or ethical thing to do? Was it the right thing to do?

 

[notazombie]

I have a nice "camping" area on my property and have been approached a few times about using/renting it. I prefer not to let strangers have access, no matter how much they offer or how well I think they may treat it.
My land, my call.

 

[41mag]

It's privately owned land. Not sure why you feel that you deserve to be upset........

Ask Chief Joseph about it....

 

[Kruel J]

That wasn't the case in this area. I have been camping there for 40 years and it has remained the same for all that time.



Not really. We're not talking about a few acres with a cabin on it and a landowner wanting trespassers kept off.

We're talking about millions of acres of plots of land intertwined with public land that has been open to public use for decades.

Then suddenly, they decided that they didn't want the public on their land without charging a ton of money.

And yes, over here where America hasn't quite been taken completely over by socialists and leftists, paying $500 a year for a camping spot is absolutely ridiculous. We get 4 months of camping season. If you go camping once a month during that season, you would be paying $125 each time to go camping.

This area has been utilized by families of the region for generations and was a handy and economical way to enjoy the outdoors.

And you may have missed the part where ALL of the people leasing the spots were from out of the area and appear to be employed by the corporation.

When Democrats start ranting about corporate greed and the evils of capitalism, it is exactly this type of behavior that makes their case.

Yes, the company has the right to shut down the woods to public use. But was it the most moral or ethical thing to do? Was it the right thing to do?

Again, private property. Not a partisan issue.

 

[Kruel J]

Ask Chief Joseph about it....

Not even close.

 

[North Plains]

Potlatch has been charging a access fee on there ground around Pierce for a long time probably ten years. Talking to the locals most of them don't pay for the permit.

 

[PNWguy]

Again, private property. Not a partisan issue.

It is definitely a partisan issue.

It is the debate over whether or not corporations have the same rights as private citizens.

For years, the democrat stance was that they do not because of their undue wealth and resources vs. the wealth and resources of the individual citizen. Mainly, democrats contended that corporations held an unfair advantage over the common citizen and were mostly concerned with their ability to lobby and contribute heavily to political campaigns, because they typically supported Republican causes and candidates.

In recent years, the tide has turned and more and more corporations are leftist owned and controlled and the democrats have fallen silent on the issue, of course.

But, their mantra has always been that corporations need more governmental oversight because they are inherently immoral and oppressive. I disagreed with that premise.

This issue is a prime example of a corporation doing the wrong thing.

 

[PNWguy]

Only three spots left to camp in that area, at $1100 each.

I'm sure the local family that struggles to make ends meet and can only afford camping on the weekends at a nearby destination can come up with an extra $1100 to continue enjoying a family tradition.

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[Fishjager]

About the only area free now days is the "Rest Area" on the freeway, Walmart Parking lot, or last but not least the streets of downtown Seattle. Welcome to liberal America folks.

 

[PNWguy]

To be fair, the place I camped last year is on state land, and about 3 miles from the privately leased spots. But, with all of the prime camping locations in the area now off limits, I suspect that my little spot will be taken. Folks will be pushed from all the popular and choice spots to the limited number of free spots on state land.

But I only camp up there a couple of times a year. I also go to either my parent's cabin at Dworshak, or my buddy's land on the Couer D'Alene river. So I'll be fine.

I just feel bad for all of the local families that have been going there for generations and have now lost that access and tradition.

But that is the reality now in today's America. Just surprised that so many here have no problem with it. Which I guess also should not surprise me in today's America.

 

[orygun]

Sounds just like Weyerhaeuser and what they did with hunting access here. What had been Longview Fibre and had open road access during deer season and open to foot traffic year round was then posted No Tresspassing and hunting access has to be purchased.

Except for restricting access for the ones that choose to illegally dump garbage, it clearly is about the almighty $$$.

F-em!

 

[EUGENE the REALTOR]

Amazing how every thread on this forum becomes political. I'm kind of confused though... Wanting free access or "affordable access" to private property seems more like a liberal point of view to me?

I'm curious how people would feel if it was an individual (and not a corporation) who bought the land? Does this have more to do with being anti-corporation?

Regarding the number of times you camp versus price - irrelevant. Gym memberships cost the same regardless of how many times you go each month.

 

[Mephistopheles]

May be wrong on this, but I read a few years back the Fed. Gov did away with some tax breaks for timber companies. It was also a few years back I started getting kicked off timber company land while target shooting (November, drizzling, no fire danger.). Isn't most timber land leased from the State and Fed Gov?

 

[CoastRange57]

But that is the reality now in today's America. Just surprised that so many here have no problem with it. Which I guess also should not surprise me in today's America.

Let me pose a couple of questions to you, and see if your own personal experience mirrors mine at least ?

1. Do you own and pay taxes on any undeveloped property that the public could access with out your knowledge or permission?

2. If so, have you ever had to pickup and dispose of trash at your time and expense from others utilizing your property without your permission ?

3. Have you ever had to deal with an environmental impact on your property caused by the same people using your property with out permission ?

4. Have you ever had to deal with dopers leaving needles on your property ?

5. Have you ever had to deal with a fire set by trespassers throwing cigarette butts away on your property ?

This is some of the things that remote property owners have to deal with on a continual basis. Outside of fencing my property completely in, which I do not want to do for wildlife access, and expense, these are some of the impacts you encounter.

A friend and his son were out roaming the woods on private timber ground, doing some shooting and came across a pile of roofing some sh*tbags dumped. They picked it all up, took it to the transfer station, paid for it to be disposed of and let the timber company know what they did. The company was very appreciative of it.

 

[CoastRange57]

Isn't most timber land leased from the State and Fed Gov?

No. If it was there would be absolutely no timber production going on in this country. You can get a good topo map at BiMart, that shows Federally owned property on it.

Timber companies can manage their own timber for quality and production. There is virtually no timber being harvested off of Federal grounds anymore. States like Oregon have a fair amount of ground, for the most part reasonably well managed, and they have sales of the timber to generate income for the state.

I am not aware of them leasing any ground to timber companies.