Biofire Smart Gun

[RVTECH]

New Jersey has a law that will make only "personalized handguns" available for sale to the public. The law is activated when the state AG determines that such handguns are available for retail sales - he is to check every 6 months. He will then assemble a list of "personalized handguns" available, and henceforth, only those guns on the list can be sold in NJ.

Heck, for all we know the mfg of the Biofire could be in cahoots with various states to get the 'ball rolling' for the above to take place - one step at a time.

Oh sure, as previously mentioned Biofire has gone out of its way to oppose any legislation mandating smart gun tech, but so what? Are they actively 'fighting' it? Opposing it is just words.

If 'personalized handguns' , 'smart guns' etc. can be mandated by states this ensures Biofire a market, to some degree anyway.

 

[Howard1955]

NO.

 

[Koda]

Oh sure, as previously mentioned Biofire has gone out of its way to oppose any legislation mandating smart gun tech, but so what? Are they actively 'fighting' it? Opposing it is just words.

Well, we have learned there are some states that already have legislation in law.

If they are sincere in their efforts I understand where they are coming from safety wise, but they would have to be totally blind to the gun control climate to believe their product is not driving smartgun legislation. The antis are chomping at the bits for this technology.

 

[Flopsweat]

Well, we have learned there are some states that already have legislation in law.

If they are sincere in their efforts I understand where they are coming from safety wise, but they would have to be totally blind to the gun control climate to believe their product is not driving smartgun legislation. The antis are chomping at the bits for this technology.

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These laws are, of course, unconstitutional, but those of us from WA and OR are well aware of how long it takes to overturn this sort of thing.

 

[DivCurlGrad72]

Dumpsterfire. I wouldn't take one if they were giving them away for free.

 

[billdeserthills]

Looks like CA is trying to push through biometric gun legislation in Nov. 2024. See article below.

If this gun had no market and died out then they can't implement these new gun controls on Americans.

If however people are stupid enough to buy this gun that directly leads to future gun control and it sells, then CA can implement their law.

It's very similar to micro stamping. They can pass laws that require all guns to be microstamped. But if those guns don't exist they can't get away with that gun control.

Again anyone who buys this gun because it's some "new and shiny" thing is hurting the entire cause of civilian gun ownership in the USA.

From the article:

"California initiative would set new standards for gun safety in the state. The Gun Violence Prevention Act has been proposed for inclusion on the November 2024 general election ballot by Santa Clara County District Attorney Jeff Rosen.

The law would dictate that, starting a year after passage, all new firearms sold in California would include an integrated trigger lock and storage system. The lock could be biometric, according to the proposal. By five years later, all firearms would be required to have biometric locks."

Another try at biometric gun control forms in California | Biometric Update

The Gun Violence Prevention Act has been proposed for inclusion on the November 2024 general election ballot by Santa Clara County District Attorney Jeff Rosen.

www.biometricupdate.com

C'mon man--That will never fly in our new Supreme Court

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Not for me.

Just think how often the internet goes down....
Or how long NWFA is out due to a site upgrade.

Granted I understand that the gun in the OP and my examples ain't quite the same...but they are close enough.

In a self defense situation you want all the advantages to be on your side...
Along with something that will work well.....every time.
Something safe , simple , and easy to use.
This "smartgun" ain't it.

Instead of "smartguns'....
How 'bout we make* smart people....?
You know....folks who understand and practice good , safe , firearm handling and using practices.
Andy

* As in teach and actively encourage safe behavior with firearms...not actually "make" ...like laws and requirements , etc...

 

[Paolung]

I wonder if the chip could be hacked or worse yet disabled by some type of electronic device which would render the gun useless.

Yes. Thieves are already using wifi jammers to disable wireless cameras.

Only if they got their hands on it and spent some time on it.

They couldn't just flip a gadget switch and magically disable it from a distance like a WiFi "jammer", just like one couldn't disable a biometric safe with the same methods.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Well, we have learned there are some states that already have legislation in law.

If they are sincere in their efforts I understand where they are coming from safety wise, but they would have to be totally blind to the gun control climate to believe their product is not driving smartgun legislation. The antis are chomping at the bits for this technology.

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These guns will allow anti-gun states to ban 99.999% of guns by allowing only this one gun to be bought. Once the anti's find out it works, all the anti-gun states will adopt similar laws. This biometric gun is a tool they will use to ban our guns.

 

[solv3nt]

Only if they got their hands on it and spent some time on it.

They couldn't just flip a gadget switch and magically disable it from a distance like a WiFi "jammer", just like one couldn't disable a biometric safe with the same methods.

Not necessarily true. Wireless technology is susceptible to denial of service attacks where you basically start talking a lot to it and it gets overwhelmed. It's like unleashing a bus load or preschool kids on someone on the phone.

Similarly, technology like RFID isn't encrypted, so it takes a little more experience and knowledge to jam or steal the code on technology like RFID.

Wireless car keys are always transmitting, and that technology is also fairly easy to steal as well.

 

[Paolung]

Not necessarily true. Wireless technology is susceptible to denial of service attacks where you basically start talking a lot to it and it gets overwhelmed. It's like unleashing a bus load or preschool kids on someone on the phone.

Similarly, technology like RFID isn't encrypted, so it takes a little more experience and knowledge to jam or steal the code on technology like RFID.

Wireless car keys are always transmitting, and that technology is also fairly easy to steal as well.

Right.

But the gun isn't wireless. There's no vector for a "jamming device" to use since it doesn't connect to anything wirelessly.

 

[solv3nt]

Right.

But the gun isn't wireless. There's no vector for a "jamming device" to use since it doesn't connect to anything wirelessly.

Still not buying one.

 

[Paolung]

Still not buying one.

Me either. I have zero use for one. There's nothing at all appealing about these things to me.

 

[Mark W.]

The single biggest flaw in this idea of a smartgun or a safe gun is nothing to do with the technology or the interface or anything about the new firearm.

Its simply the 1/2 BILLION firearms in the USA that do not have this capability/hindrance. Adding a super safe new gun to the pile will do nothing to prevent accidents or unauthorized use etc. Be cause they would be such a tiny portion of the whole as to be nothing more then a minor rounding error on the stats.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Firearm safety is a personal choice.
One is either safe with firearms or one is not.

'Course this personal choice makes for many different levels of safety....what is safe in one situation or for one person , may not work for another.

In any event...
Rules , laws , regulations , requirements , training courses , items with built in safeties , etc....
Won't keep anyone safe.
Only utilizing safe practices and habits , will keep someone safe..
Andy

 

[Koda]

Right.

But the gun isn't wireless. There's no vector for a "jamming device" to use since it doesn't connect to anything wirelessly.

The doc station has wifi capability. Its optional, but its accessible.

Im not a computer person but I have low confidence anything electronic cannot be hacked or disabled somehow. If these were legislated the bad guys would take the time to find the hole like they do everything else computer related.

 

[justsayin]

Our children and grand children won't know the difference of how things were, how they are and where things seem to be going. We can only offer our experience.

 

[Flopsweat]

A simple EMP could render it useless.

 

[Paolung]

The doc station has wifi capability. Its optional, but its accessible.

Im not a computer person but I have low confidence anything electronic cannot be hacked or disabled somehow. If these were legislated the bad guys would take the time to find the hole like they do everything else computer related.

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Yes, the dock can connect. In theory, *IF* the gun was on the dock, and *IF* someone had the right codes and software (say, a false "update" that actually removed all the authorized users or "reset" the gun to factory), they could "hack into" the dock and force the gun to clear all the authorized users /wipe the data or whatnot.

In practice, this means they could, given the former conditions, disable the gun if the gun was docked for the fake and malicious software update - but that's a far cry from disabling it when it's in your hands and needing to be used.

It would take a significant amount of effort and luck, but in theory, I suppose a nefarious party could do such a thing. You'd have to crack every firearm individually, to boot - what works for Biofire #1 wouldn't work for Biofire #2 (since each has a unique code to crack).

 

[Paolung]

A simple EMP could render it useless.

Along with everything else electronic that wasn't properly shielded when the EMP popped.

I'll stick with my good ol' mechanical firearms.