National Biden's new exec order

[nammac]

Is that a hybrid, or a trans-car?

It's a hybrid trans-car that identifies as a pick-up…

 

[Dozer99]

It's illegal to shoot people at random from a moving car, but a new law is not going to stop that either.

pissing in the wind again for the edification of the masses.

 

[nammac]

What was the subject again? I got hairy legs

And chocolate chip ice cream…

 

[CamoDeafie]

Reading the MSN "reporting", it doesn't really say what the order says...

Executive Order on Combating Emerging Firearms Threats and Improving School-Based Active-Shooter Drills | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

www.whitehouse.gov

Here is the WH direct link

 

[Knobgoblin]

Haven't seen it, but no doubt they'll screw it up just like the big three have continually done when they bring back the oldies but goodies.

I mean c'mon... ford turned the maverick into a "truck" for crying out loud... smh

ETA - went ahead and looked it up. It's a camaro with new body panels. The power plants are the only redeeming qualitys about it. But get this...

"The 2024 Chevrolet Chevelle 70/SS base model is expected to start at a minimum price of $150,000, but this price may increase depending on the features and options chosen."

The 1500 HP version, if it ever happens, is expected to be nearly $300k...

Coughcough, dodge hornet, Cough

 

[Old Dog]

So we are upset that imbecile switches are being banned.

Yeah, no. WE are not upset. WE would prefer that the presidential administration abide by the Constitution of the U.S., particularly in view of the latest SCOTUS ruling referencing how U.S. laws must be made by Congress, rather than by executive order of the President or policy delineated by non-elected federal agencies.

Try and keep up, please.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Reading the order released by the WH; it looks like the guy is asking for a report on the feasibility of violating 1A, 2A, 4A and possibly a few others...

Asking if its possible to force 3d print machine manufacturers to make it impossible to create certain gun parts through software blocks, (2A)

If feasible for the same machines to "report" on the attempts, (4a here)

If feasible, to control programs/availability(1A/4A?)

To control where export/import violations are (we already have laws relating to that, don't we... ) (possible other Amendments)

And to develop school shooting drills/stuff using Fed agencies

 

[bradsteen]

From the article...

3D printing has posed a similar challenge for law enforcement. The rapid spread of the technology has allowed people to produce unserialized firearms in violation of federal law.

This may come as a shock to MSN, but "producing in serialized firearms" is not a violation of federal law. It's legal in many states to manufacture your own firearms for personal use (not requiring a serial number), so long as you are not legally prohibited from possessing them.

*Sigh* journalism is dead.

 

[Old Dog]

@CamoDeafie and @bradsteen --

You guys are absolutely correct; I was approaching the issue from the Chevron Deference ruling perspective, and my opposition to regulating by presidential executive order and federal agency policy, with zero Congressional legislative involvement. The Biden administration's legal advisors appear to be total idiots, at best, historically inept and corrupt officials more likely.

*Sigh* journalism is dead.

Sadly, it has been that way for some time. Far more sadly, too many Americans actually believe the stuff that the mainstream media puts out.

 

[po18guy]

And chocolate chip ice cream…

IN HIS DRAWERS!

 

[Yarome]

BS aside, if you read the fine print it seems mostly a funding push for the office of gun violence prevention they established a half a year or so ago (which would be responsible for implementing/coordinating much of that). If you notice... after many of the "here's what we're going to do" segments there is a side note... urging congress to provide funding for it.

As I read it? This is mainly a big virtue signal in the twilight hours of the presidential election to bolster support for The Cackler.

 

[Jay Walk]

Kamala just has to be smarter than her voters, so far so good

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Reading the MSN "reporting", it doesn't really say what the order says...

Executive Order on Combating Emerging Firearms Threats and Improving School-Based Active-Shooter Drills | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

www.whitehouse.gov

Here is the WH direct link

Thanks for posting that. It sounds like it's trying to: 1) stop 3-D printed guns, 2) stop Glock switches and similar, 3) school active shooter training.

Re Glock switches, single function of the trigger devices should be ok, Fe binary, FRT, super safety (I assume)? But this executive order study thing refers to a single "engagement" of the trigger, rather than "function". Function is what is in the law and what the Supreme Court just clarified in the bump stock case.



The importance of "engagement" vs "function" is critical. This appears to be an end-around the law of what a machine gun is. In the definitions section of this order there is no mention of "single function of the trigger" at all. ATF is pretty much barred from prosecuting devices that have a single function of the trigger. "Engagement", what does that even mean? Sounds like a way to get around the SCOTUS ruling to me and executive branch trying to broaden the definition (ie "engagement") created by the legislative branch (ie "function"). This government overreach is exactly the thing that SCOTUS has been shutting down recently.

Also we have atf prosecuting that auto key card guy. So prosecutions of 3d printing instructions for Glock switches and similar devices may get a big boost from this over time (ie pres is telling ATF to go after 3d printed stuff). How widely ATF interprets this order remains to be seen. It looks to me that they are trying to redefine what a machine gun is in order to give atf more authority to confiscate fast-firing devices.

Glock switches are already illegal due to one function of the trigger. All they have to do is enforce the existing law. They don't need this new order which appears to expand gov control of guns by redefining what a machine gun is.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Thanks for posting that. It sounds like it's trying to: 1) stop 3-D printed guns, 2) stop Glock switches and similar, 3) school active shooter training.

Re Glock switches, single function of the trigger devices should be ok, Fe binary, FRT, super safety (I assume)? But this executive order study thing refers to a single "engagement" of the trigger, rather than "function". Function is what is in the law and what the Supreme Court just clarified in the bump stock case.

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The importance of "engagement" vs "function" is critical. This appears to be an end-around the law of what a machine gun is. In the definitions section of this order there is no mention of "single function of the trigger" at all. ATF is pretty much barred from prosecuting devices that have a single function of the trigger. "Engagement", what does that even mean? Sounds like a way to get around the SCOTUS ruling to me and executive branch trying to broaden the definition (ie "engagement") created by the legislative branch (ie "function"). This government overreach is exactly the thing that SCOTUS has been shutting down recently.

Also we have atf prosecuting that auto key card guy. So prosecutions of 3d printing instructions for Glock switches and similar devices may get a big boost from this over time (ie pres is telling ATF to go after 3d printed stuff). How widely ATF interprets this order remains to be seen. It looks to me that they are trying to redefine what a machine gun is in order to give atf more authority to confiscate fast-firing devices.

Well. Hughes Amendment has been "law" since 86 so its not new re glock switch/devices; just seems they're telling ATF to ignore SCOTUS decisions (again?) but also reaffirm that other than certain FFL holders and govt (military/LE), mere civilian peons can't be allowed fun switches/"faster firing devices".


3d print thing..... welp. Wait until someone figure how to make all the parts for certain devices look utterly like common/random non-gun specific shapes

And besides.. freedom of expression/art?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

...just seems they're telling ATF to ignore SCOTUS decisions (again?) ...

Yes the actual law says "single function of the trigger". And that was the whole key to the bump stock case and "single function of the trigger" is now very well defined legally.

They don't like that result so they are now saying "engagement" of the trigger. They don't define what "engagement" is (in keeping with how ATF likes to use vague language to give them maximum prosecutorial ability). They also fail to mention "single function of the trigger" anywhere in the order.

Executive branch cannot redefine the law, which is what they appear to be doing (like they have tried in the past Fe in the brace rule trying to redefine what a rifle is based on what you attach to a pistol).

If they really wanted to go after things that are illegal they just have to do it cuz it's already illegal (Fe Glock switches). But they are trying to broaden what is illegal beyond what is in the law.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Yes the actual law says "single function of the trigger". And that was the whole key to the bump stock case and "single function of the trigger" is now very well defined legally.

They don't like that result so they are now saying "engagement" of the trigger. They don't define what "engagement" is (in keeping with how ATF likes to use vague language to give them maximum prosecutorial ability). They also fail to mention "single function of the trigger" anywhere in the order.

Executive branch cannot redefine the law, which is what they appear to be doing (like they have tried in the past Fe in the brace rule trying to redefine what a rifle is based on what you attach to a pistol).

If they really wanted to go after things that are illegal they just have to do it cuz it's already illegal (Fe Glock switches). But they are trying to broaden what is illegal beyond what is in the law.

Also nowhere in the 34, 68, or 86 laws does rate of fire gets defined

 

[Certaindeaf]

What else is new.. cowards will continue to flee to Idaho and pretend their sh!t doesn't stink.

 

[Anti-Marxist]

I guess he signed a new executive order this morning.

MSN

www.msn.com

"It's our job to do better," Biden wrote in a social media post."

It's your job to follow the constitution, not build support to undermine it.

Remember when there was a huge push to make gun violence a public health issue? That was just a new strategy to reframe gun control.

 

[Yarome]

3d print thing..... welp. Wait until someone figure how to make all the parts for certain devices look utterly like common/random non-gun specific shapes

And besides.. freedom of expression/art?

Not to mention that PMF's have been a long standing tradition since man first discovered gunpowder. There is no historical tradition for ever regulating PMF's in the U.S. and 3D printing parts is no different than pouring molds, forging or machining. It's simply a technological advancement of manufacturing processes.

What else is new.. cowards will continue to flee to Idaho and pretend their sh!t doesn't stink.

Fleeing tyranny is valid, IMHO. I mean... that's kinda pretty much how the U.S. was founded in the first place... and I'm more than sure there are countless 10's of millions of dead souls that wish they would have had the foresight and/or ability to flee before their betters prematurely turned their behinds into ashes.

When you're standing naked in a corn field and the tornado is heading your way... it's not the least cowardly to seek shelter.

It's your job to follow the constitution, not build support to undermine it
Remember when there was a huge push to make gun violence a public health issue? That was just a new strategy to reframe gun control.

It was crazy days when presidents honored the constitution they swore an oath to uphold, wasn't it!?!

They already did that just a few months ago. The Surgeon General declared firearm violence a public health crisis.

Facts-smacks, but even if you count self checkouts, police actions and military related, annual deaths works out to 0.000117% of the US population. Or... to put it in perspective... slightly fewer than people killed in car accidents each year, about 1/3rd the number of people that die from overdose each year, 15 times fewer than cancer deaths and 17 times fewer than those that die from heart disease. Pre C-19, the average seasonal flu bug killed more people than firearms per year.

A health crisis? Really???? It's all propaganda.

 

[FATAL125]

Kamala just has to be smarter than her voters, so far so good

Which, when you think about it, is terrifying...

I've got skid marks in my underoos that are smarter than that day-walker...