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AR pistol question

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by 2dognite, Feb 19, 2016.

  1. 2dognite

    2dognite Vancouver, Washington Member

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    I just built an AR pistol for my wife and she would like a vertical foregrip on it. I thought I read somewhere that a vertical foregrip on a pistol is illegal. I tried looking for it again but I could not find it or missed it. Can anyone help?

    Thanks in advance.

    2dognite
     
  2. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    26" oal is what you need to be legal to have a forward vertical grip on a "pistol".....parentheses because once 26" is obtained then the pistol is now classed as a "firearm" in the eyes of the Feds.
    "Firearms" have no rules against vert grips
    To have 26" you need to measure from the last permanent spot on the muzzle end, not flash hider unless welded and pinned, to the end of the buffer tube , not the brace or whatever your flying on your pistol
    A 10.5" barrel and a KAK super sig brace or A2 buffer tube will get you 26"
     
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  3. 2dognite

    2dognite Vancouver, Washington Member

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    That is exactly what I built. 10.5" upper and a KAK tube and brace. Thanks for the reply.

    2dognite
     
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  4. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    awesome, have fun with it!

    look closely at the buffer tubes. I believe one is created longer, the Super Tube or something like that
     
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  5. SOrez

    SOrez SOR Active Member

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    I believe if you put a fore grip on a pistol it is an AOW (any other weapon) and if you make your pistol a rifle with a 10.5 inch barrel you have a short barreled rifle which requires a tax stamp. I would suggest you go to the BAFTE website for information or contact them.
     
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  6. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    As explained earlier, its legal to put a foregrip on an AR pistol that's at least 26 OAL. Once you add a vertical foregrip the ATF doesn't consider it an AOW or pistol. They consider it a "firearm."
     
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  7. 2dognite

    2dognite Vancouver, Washington Member

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    This is what I found on ATF website for AOW

    Thanks for all of the replies.
    2dognite

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  8. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Click.

    Does no one remember that Thompson pistol with a vertical foregrip? The ATF didn't consider it a handgun, they considered it a "firearm." Thus the vertical foregrip was legal, and is legal. 26 OAL and good to go. Otherwise $200 tax stamp, or sending it to a person licensed to manufacture NFA items and a $5 transfer fee after they add the foregrip. Per this letter at least.
     
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  9. SOrez

    SOrez SOR Active Member

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    I went to the BATFE website and found the letter about this. I never knew there were rifles, pistols and firearms.
     
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  10. 2dognite

    2dognite Vancouver, Washington Member

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    You replied to this post and edited it. You must not be shooting straight either.:D
     
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  11. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    it is simply too much to keep track of sometimes.....gun boards help if you talk to the right people ......they can be the most harmful thing if you listen to just anyone.
     
  12. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Technically its neither a rifle or pistol once you add a vertical foregrip. ;)
     
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  13. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    technically its a firearm first, that's why you can add the grip
    yeah it fits under any topic here at NorthwestFIREARMS
     
  14. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Its a pistol. Once you add a vertical foregrip it becomes a firearm if its 26 OAL. That's why you can add a foregrip. Not because it wasn't a pistol to begin with (it was one to begin with).
     
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  15. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    I guess I got a different take on it
     
  16. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    dude, I just got what you were saying.....ok that sounds right my mistake
     
  17. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Touché.
     
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