Another overlooked defender of the 2nd Amendment

[oknow]

This is the problem ,,,U.S. Army Ad: An Army of Ignorance - YouTube

More true than what you would want to believe

 

[SOrez]

Boondocks36 you are ar absolutely right!

 

[oknow]

I have "heard" read, on ~another~ Forum, that Enlisted Personal, will not be sent to where they live,

philip
In the BoonDocks....

to bad for the military that the people have family members all over the US. so they may not send them where their immediate family lives but maybe grandma or some other family members lives where they send them.

 

[BoonDocks36]

Boondocks36 you are ar absolutely right!

I recall, circa 1969, US ARMY, Ft. Hood, TX .... Being Called to formation, and Orders given to our Company...

That we would Now start Training, for FUTURE use, in Riot Control, because the National Guard was spread so thin....

All I could do was think, "Err, Posse Comastus"??? (Spelling is off,you know what I mean...)

In Basic Training, only 3/4 years earlier, we had been taught POSSE C. and that we could not be used on American Soil.... And now orders to train are given.... I decided at that moment, Training = OK, Active US ARMY against American citizens, Violation of UCMJ and I would have to refuse orders to serve against American Citizens...

I was Nineteen years old.... And already Knew better...

Now, 63 YO, and VietNam Veteran... I think this: Blue helmets are good targets, and ~any~ Military Vehicle in my driveway, is not invited to Breakfast, Lunch, nor Dinner, and kindly leave the way you came in...

philip,
BoonDocks, Oregon

 

[mosinguy1]

Ok guys not 100% sure but our Son's first duty station will be be 45 mins from us, but it is known for boots not to be stationed near home for there first enlistment. They say it is so they don't go AWOL, which back when I was in I could have believed. Now not only no but hell no!!!!

There have been far to many changes in the constitutional views of our military , law enforcement and gooberment in the last several years that I and many other ex service members do not know what to think.

The way our gooberment is I am going with the rest of Y'all.

 

[Misterbill]

Ok guys not 100% sure but our Son's first duty station will be be 45 mins from us, but it is known for boots not to be stationed near home for there first enlistment. They say it is so they don't go AWOL, which back when I was in I could have believed. Now not only no but hell no!!!!

There have been far to many changes in the constitutional views of our military , law enforcement and gooberment in the last several years that I and many other ex service members do not know what to think.

The way our gooberment is I am going with the rest of Y'all.

Who the F joins the military and WANTS to be stationed stateside?

Seriously WTF is wrong with you to WANT to be stationed near your home? I joined the military to see far away places, meet new and exotic people...and Kill them.

OK, actually,, just to travel the WHOLE WORLD FOR FREE on someone else's dime. which I did, though I had to work hard as Hell to make that happen. (They wanted to ship me to Idaho out of TS. I was like IDAHO? KILL ME NOW). Swapped with someone else, got Germany, went to Korea, Somalia, Italy, Greece and traveled all over Europe. Stationed near home? what a wuss. Or just really unlucky.

 

[U201491]

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[simon99]

Who the F joins the military and WANTS to be stationed stateside?

Seriously WTF is wrong with you to WANT to be stationed near your home? I joined the military to see far away places, meet new and exotic people...and Kill them.

OK, actually,, just to travel the WHOLE WORLD FOR FREE on someone else's dime. which I did, though I had to work hard as Hell to make that happen. (They wanted to ship me to Idaho out of TS. I was like IDAHO? KILL ME NOW). Swapped with someone else, got Germany, went to Korea, Somalia, Italy, Greece and traveled all over Europe. Stationed near home? what a wuss. Or just really unlucky.

I agree with you, but sometimes you don't have a choice. I knew guys that got stationed in the same state as they lived, while others got to go overseas. So, were you AF I take it?

 

[chariot13]

Who the F joins the military and WANTS to be stationed stateside?

Seriously WTF is wrong with you to WANT to be stationed near your home? I joined the military to see far away places, meet new and exotic people...and Kill them.

OK, actually,, just to travel the WHOLE WORLD FOR FREE on someone else's dime. which I did, though I had to work hard as Hell to make that happen. (They wanted to ship me to Idaho out of TS. I was like IDAHO? KILL ME NOW). Swapped with someone else, got Germany, went to Korea, Somalia, Italy, Greece and traveled all over Europe. Stationed near home? what a wuss. Or just really unlucky.

My how far the fruit has fallen from the tree. Some people must never have experienced what having a real 'choice' is? Having to pick from option 1, 2 or 3 is not a choice. This is similar to the socialist playbook in obamacare, you can choose between all of these great healthcare providers! or you can choose to be fined. Its your choice after all. No, that's not a choice...... And neither is what you do or where you go in the military, never has been. I was in the military too and picking between option 1, 2 or 3 is not a choice. When your options are limited, you are funneled in the direction given. Doesn't matter how you get there but you get their there, not yours.

 

[Misterbill]

LMAO!
How did you get from "Who the F joins the military and WANTS to be near home," to "Obamacare" and "Socialist?"

I was giving the OP a hard time because his kid apparently WANTS to be stationed near home. (In good fun too. Been there, done that, got the DD214 to prove it.)

You went to Obamacare? All I can say my friend, is that I hope your back and knees are ok. Because after all those massive topic jumps and intellectual backflips you made, I'm worried you might have hurt yourself.

My how far the fruit has fallen from the tree. Some people must never have experienced what having a real 'choice' is? Having to pick from option 1, 2 or 3 is not a choice. This is similar to the socialist playbook in obamacare, you can choose between all of these great healthcare providers! or you can choose to be fined. Its your choice after all. No, that's not a choice...... And neither is what you do or where you go in the military, never has been. I was in the military too and picking between option 1, 2 or 3 is not a choice. When your options are limited, you are funneled in the direction given. Doesn't matter how you get there but you get their there, not yours.

 

[U201491]

As a matter of fact I have. Fighter pilots, ship drivers, generals, admirals, it is actually quite mind boggling. Granted, many of the reports I have read goodly amount of these guys, and rarely, gals probably earned their dismissal with bone headed decisions...but might these decisions come to light only after admiral smith said, heck no, I won't launch TLams against US citizens. So the FBI or some other alphabet investigators do some deep carpet cleaning and find out old Smith was tipping the illegal immigrant maid with more than greenbacks.
It's not like ruining someone's reputation isn't the easiest way to justify sacking them, right?

Brutus out

He just sacked a couple more Generals......................

 

[Misterbill]

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. "

Took it twice, don't remember ever being released from it.

NOT the oath I took.

You're quoting the officer's oath.

The oath I TOOK was:

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. "

I notice you oathkeeper defenders do this a lot. You either accidentally or deliberately conflate the oath that OFFICERS (people with a 4-year degree and at least 21 years of age) take with that that enlisted men swear.

There is a REASON that kids of 17 aren't expected to swear blind allegiance to the constitution. It's because most of them don't even KNOW it.

Again, an organization that actively seeks to disrupt good military order based on some 17-year-old kid's understanding of the constitution, the MANY precedents sts, etc. is sheer stupidity.

It's BEGGING to have the brass shut it down, which is exactly what happened.

Now this is either
Aolitical theater
B: an actual attempt to get the kids in our military (and ya, sorry, they're kids, I have CHILDREN older than the average age of the enlisted ranks) to make incredibly complex and difficult moral decisions based on 235+ years of precedent and law (Seriously does anyone expect that of a 22 year-old on his first hitch?)
or
c: it's a deliberate attempt to sew dissension in the ranks and foment mutiny.

The UCMJ is pretty clear. Basic premises of the constitution are pretty clear. The ability of any soldier to refuse an illegal order is ALSO pretty clear.

These things have been pretty clear for 30 years or more.

So tell me again how Oathkeepers is a plus to this equation?

If our troops are perfectly content to fire upon Americans for exercising 2A rights, we're already totally screwed beyond recall.

If not, the Oathkeepers is just stirring up trouble for good kids that have the bad luck to take some internet jackasses seriously.

 

[oknow]

NOT the oath I took.

You're quoting the officer's oath.

The oath I TOOK was:

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. "

I notice you oathkeeper defenders do this a lot. You either accidentally or deliberately conflate the oath that OFFICERS (people with a 4-year degree and at least 21 years of age) take with that that enlisted men swear.

There is a REASON that kids of 17 aren't expected to swear blind allegiance to the constitution. It's because most of them don't even KNOW it.

Again, an organization that actively seeks to disrupt good military order based on some 17-year-old kid's understanding of the constitution, the MANY precedents sts, etc. is sheer stupidity.

It's BEGGING to have the brass shut it down, which is exactly what happened.

Now this is either
Aolitical theater
B: an actual attempt to get the kids in our military (and ya, sorry, they're kids, I have CHILDREN older than the average age of the enlisted ranks) to make incredibly complex and difficult moral decisions based on 235+ years of precedent and law (Seriously does anyone expect that of a 22 year-old on his first hitch?)
or
c: it's a deliberate attempt to sew dissension in the ranks and foment mutiny.

The UCMJ is pretty clear. Basic premises of the constitution are pretty clear. The ability of any soldier to refuse an illegal order is ALSO pretty clear.

These things have been pretty clear for 30 years or more.

So tell me again how Oathkeepers is a plus to this equation?

If our troops are perfectly content to fire upon Americans for exercising 2A rights, we're already totally screwed beyond recall.

If not, the Oathkeepers is just stirring up trouble for good kids that have the bad luck to take some internet jackasses seriously.

maybe they were officers that took that oath. something to think about