ALERT! WA Ceasefire to push Open Carry ban in 2012 !!!

[Dave Workman]

BOHICA...


EXCLUSIVE! WA Ceasefire to seek Evergreen State open carry ban


Washington Ceasefire has announced that it will ask the Washington State Legislature to ban open carry of firearms in the Evergreen State, a move that comes just months after California’s lawmakers did the same thing.


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[Nutty4Guns]

I knew it was only a matter of time before the dominoes started falling from Kalifornia.

 

[Markjz]

not so easy here, we have state constitutional protections and court rulings to back it up. CA did not

 

[morroad8]

Ohh jeez, darn Kali! I open carry everyday even though I have a CWP. I fully support the 2nd ammendment and all other state and local laws that follow in it's footsteps. Too many American soldiers died to keep our country free to keep ALL our rights; I will not let 5,000 mis-informed people take them away. Whats next? Freedom of speech? Ohh wait, Happy Holidays since I can't say Merry Christmas...it insults people so i should "limit" my freedom there too. But hats probably what my kids will have to put up with when I have them (im 22, do not want kids yet haha).

 

[pokerace]

How do security companies get around that passage in the constitution??

The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.'

 

[Riot]

How do security companies get around that passage in the constitution??

The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.’

It just means that they have to be employed by a security company and licensed by the state to be able to carry a firearm. I learned that the minute I put on a security uniform, I couldn't carry a firearm anymore (at least until I got an armed license). But now that I'm a corrections officer, I don't even need a CHP anymore.

RCW 9.41.300

(1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:

(a) The restricted access areas of a jail, or of a law enforcement facility, or any place used for the confinement of a person (i) arrested for, charged with, or convicted of an offense, (ii) held for extradition or as a material witness, or (iii) otherwise confined pursuant to an order of a court, except an order under chapter 13.32A or 13.34 RCW. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress or ingress open to the general public;

(b) Those areas in any building which are used in connection with court proceedings, including courtrooms, jury rooms, judge's chambers, offices and areas used to conduct court business, waiting areas, and corridors adjacent to areas used in connection with court proceedings. The restricted areas do not include common areas of ingress and egress to the building that is used in connection with court proceedings, when it is possible to protect court areas without restricting ingress and egress to the building. The restricted areas shall be the minimum necessary to fulfill the objective of this subsection (1)(b).

For purposes of this subsection (1)(b), "weapon" means any firearm, explosive as defined in RCW 70.74.010, or any weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or any knife, dagger, dirk, or other similar weapon that is capable of causing death or bodily injury and is commonly used with the intent to cause death or bodily injury.

In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building.

The local judicial authority shall designate and clearly mark those areas where weapons are prohibited, and shall post notices at each entrance to the building of the prohibition against weapons in the restricted areas;

(c) The restricted access areas of a public mental health facility certified by the department of social and health services for inpatient hospital care and state institutions for the care of the mentally ill, excluding those facilities solely for evaluation and treatment. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress and ingress open to the general public;

(d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; or

(e) The restricted access areas of a commercial service airport designated in the airport security plan approved by the federal transportation security administration, including passenger screening checkpoints at or beyond the point at which a passenger initiates the screening process. These areas do not include airport drives, general parking areas and walkways, and shops and areas of the terminal that are outside the screening checkpoints and that are normally open to unscreened passengers or visitors to the airport. Any restricted access area shall be clearly indicated by prominent signs indicating that firearms and other weapons are prohibited in the area.

(2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

(a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

(b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

(i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or

(ii) Any showing, demonstration, or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms.

(3)(a) Cities, towns, and counties may enact ordinances restricting the areas in their respective jurisdictions in which firearms may be sold, but, except as provided in (b) of this subsection, a business selling firearms may not be treated more restrictively than other businesses located within the same zone. An ordinance requiring the cessation of business within a zone shall not have a shorter grandfather period for businesses selling firearms than for any other businesses within the zone.

(b) Cities, towns, and counties may restrict the location of a business selling firearms to not less than five hundred feet from primary or secondary school grounds, if the business has a storefront, has hours during which it is open for business, and posts advertisements or signs observable to passersby that firearms are available for sale. A business selling firearms that exists as of the date a restriction is enacted under this subsection (3)(b) shall be grandfathered according to existing law.

(4) Violations of local ordinances adopted under subsection (2) of this section must have the same penalty as provided for by state law.

(5) The perimeter of the premises of any specific location covered by subsection (1) of this section shall be posted at reasonable intervals to alert the public as to the existence of any law restricting the possession of firearms on the premises.

(6) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:

(a) A person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments, while engaged in official duties;

(b) Law enforcement personnel, except that subsection (1)(b) of this section does apply to a law enforcement officer who is present at a courthouse building as a party to an action under chapter 10.14, 10.99, or 26.50 RCW, or an action under Title 26 RCW where any party has alleged the existence of domestic violence as defined in RCW 26.50.010; or

(c) Security personnel while engaged in official duties.

(7) Subsection (1)(a), (b), (c), and (e) of this section does not apply to correctional personnel or community corrections officers, as long as they are employed as such, who have completed government-sponsored law enforcement firearms training, except that subsection (1)(b) of this section does apply to a correctional employee or community corrections officer who is present at a courthouse building as a party to an action under chapter 10.14, 10.99, or 26.50 RCW, or an action under Title 26 RCW where any party has alleged the existence of domestic violence as defined in RCW 26.50.010.

(8) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to a person licensed pursuant to RCW 9.41.070 who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises or checks his or her firearm. The person may reclaim the firearms upon leaving but must immediately and directly depart from the place or facility.

(9) Subsection (1)(c) of this section does not apply to any administrator or employee of the facility or to any person who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises.

(10) Subsection (1)(d) of this section does not apply to the proprietor of the premises or his or her employees while engaged in their employment.

(11) Government-sponsored law enforcement firearms training must be training that correctional personnel and community corrections officers receive as part of their job requirement and reference to such training does not constitute a mandate that it be provided by the correctional facility.

(12) Any person violating subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

(13) "Weapon" as used in this section means any firearm, explosive as defined in RCW 70.74.010, or instrument or weapon listed in RCW 9.41.250.

 

[mjbskwim]

Well someone please put out the reasons we need open carry,since I support it but don't see an advantage of it.
I do not want it to go away and I need the reasons it shouldn't. Other than the second amendment

 

[nubus]

It should not be a crime if I bend over to pick something up and my gun is exposed. If you are under 21 and you cannot get a CPL, you should not be denied the right to carry. If you simply don't feel like filling out the paperwork for a CPL, you should not be denied the right to carry. If you are offended/intimidated by anyone who does open carry I suggest you get over it.

 

[22many]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Washington a open carry state until someone complains and calls the police then you get ticketed? Isn't this what happened to the guy in the safeway store about a year ago?

If that's the case then it would make this bill pointless.

 

[John H]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Washington a open carry state until someone complains and calls the police then you get ticketed? .

Wrong

 

[Grommit327]

Both people that I know of recently that were ticketed were making quite the scene of open carrying hence the "menacing" charges or whatever they were.

California's passing of the open carry ban was actually a good thing in a way. It is forcing the issuance of concealed permits where before they were only issued to "special" people. I'm not for any anti-laws but the most of the pro 2A people in Kali seemed to be happy with it

 

[gunnoob75]

Remember Kurt Kirby?

 

[deen_ad]

It is forcing the issuance of concealed permits where before they were only issued to "special" people.

That isn't happening yet either, not till it goes to court and they're forced to issue them.

 

[22many]

Wrong

Do you have a link to back this up or am I just suppose to believe you when you say "wrong"?

Also, I pretty sure Oregon doesn't have a "brandishing" law. Instead I do believe that they call it "menacing". Is this correct for Washington also?

 

[22many]

Remember Kurt Kirby?

Thank you wakejoe. Couldn't quite remember the guys name. A quick google search confirmed that that is who I was talking about.

 

[Dave Workman]

Northwest activists take Ceasefire threat seriously

Washington State gun rights activists are taking seriously – for the most part, anyway – a threat by Washington Ceasefire to go after open carry when the Legislature convenes in January, because the practice bothers then, and it can be portrayed as offensive to a large segment of the public, including some gun owners.

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[Nwcid]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Washington a open carry state until someone complains and calls the police then you get ticketed? Isn't this what happened to the guy in the safeway store about a year ago?

If that's the case then it would make this bill pointless.

Wrong.

What are you going to get ticketed for? What law are you breaking? What is the offense written on the ticket?

I OC frequently in WA and have in OR as well since I cant legally CC when I am there.

 

[Riot]

Wrong.

What are you going to get ticketed for? What law are you breaking? What is the offense written on the ticket?

I OC frequently in WA and have in OR as well since I cant legally CC when I am there.

I heard about this story...happened over a year ago. Person that called it in basically stated that he was "brandishing" the firearm...police had to come and investigate.

Tried to find it on Google and the other gun forum I read the story on....even had the 9-1-1 tape. Just someone freeking out over a dude open carrying.

 

[Grommit327]

I heard about this story...happened over a year ago. Person that called it in basically stated that he was "brandishing" the firearm...police had to come and investigate.

Tried to find it on Google and the other gun forum I read the story on....even had the 9-1-1 tape. Just someone freeking out over a dude open carrying.

If I remember right there was more to it than that. Kirby was accused of keeping a "ready to draw" like stance. Without being there it's hard to say how it went down

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[mjbskwim]

Do you have a link to back this up or am I just suppose to believe you when you say "wrong"?

Also, I pretty sure Oregon doesn't have a "brandishing" law. Instead I do believe that they call it "menacing". Is this correct for Washington also?

All the info you need right here
Chapter 9.41 RCW: Firearms and dangerous weapons

As long as you aren't being a dumb bubblegum then you are fine. The guy from Vancouver had a run in with the police earlier in the week for the same thing. He was trying his luck at being a bad a$$ and the people at a pizza joint called the cops. He did the same thing at a Safeway.

He is a bad example of open carry.You just can't walk around with your hand on your gun like the cops do.People will obviously call for that.