30-30 load not chambering...

[shibbershabber]

Trying out a new load...

30-30
1x Federal Brass
Win Lg Rifle Primer
34.5gr IMR4064
Speer 110gr JHP

OAL is 2.4"

Will not chamber in my Henry. Even if I drop the round into the chamber the action wont close...
More or less ruling out actual feeding issue.

Looking at the round its not any different than my 150gr loads or factory loads (see pic) which all feed and chamber no problem.

Only real difference is the OAL is shorter (pic, problem round is on right)... I could see that creating a feeding issue, but no guess why the action wont close.

Thoughts?

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[Mark W.]

The shoulder is different It would appear the resizing was not the same least that is what I see.

 

[shibbershabber]

The round on the left was sized same time as the one on the right... Loaded with same dies

 

[ron]

Not bumbling back the shoulder of the case enough. Sizer die needs to be screwed in farther sometimes it has to "cam Over".
Try clambering a resized empty piece of brass. Adjust the sizer die until the brass can be easily chambered and with drawn.

 

[P7M13]

Granted it's a picture, but the shorter round looks like the neck is thicker. Have you miked it?
I use the Lyman loaded case checker for my 30-30 loads, because when I'm cranking on the lever, I don't want to try to feed a round that's not within spec. Yes, I've had a case get stuck before. After using a case checker, never.
The checker would tell you instantly if your shoulder was too long, your case or neck too wide, etc. Literally a plunk + visual examination test. If it plunks, great. if it is within measurements, great, if it doesn't fall out easy, or with the slightest pressure, no good.

 

[RVTECH]

The shoulder is different It would appear the resizing was not the same least that is what I see.

I agree with Mark.
I have loaded MANY of these bullets with no chambering issues - in a Winchester anyway.

 

[whitney]

All other things being equal the only difference would seem to be the bullet. Pull the bullet and see if the cartridge chambers without a bullet.
This is one of my favorites too with no problems.

Please let us know what you discover if you pull the bullet and test chamber.

~Whitney

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

looks incorrectly sized

 

[po18guy]

No chance the bullet is a .311? Or .309? The empty case check will tell the tale. It does not seem to be the bullet's ogive, as it is much shorter overall. Try a bullet semi-loose in an unsized case (fire formed in that gun) and see what happens. If it sets the bullet back upon chambering then it may be a profile problem.

 

[beezer66]

Did you lower the bullet seater or the die? I have had .308 loads that the shoulder of the case deformed, because the crimp part of the die was set too low. The deformation caused the rounds to be tight in the chamber and not load or extract properly.

 

[Certaindeaf]

cannelures are only a suggestion.

 

[shibbershabber]

All other things being equal the only difference would seem to be the bullet. Pull the bullet and see if the cartridge chambers without a bullet.
This is one of my favorites too with no problems.

Please let us know what you discover if you pull the bullet and test chamber.

~Whitney

Pulled the bullet... the brass chambered and extracted fine

 

[po18guy]

Not bumbling back the shoulder of the case enough. Sizer die needs to be screwed in farther sometimes it has to "cam Over".
Try clambering a resized empty piece of brass. Adjust the sizer die until the brass can be easily chambered and with drawn.

"Bumping" right? OP: Check to ensure that the shellholder is contacting the die at full stroke. The cartridge headpsaces on the rim, so a little shoulder setback means nothing.

 

[Member 5605]

Headspace. I've had to redo a few hundred due to .005".

 

[po18guy]

Pulled the bullet... the brass chambered and extracted fine

Them it is an ogive problem. Just chamber one with a bullet in an unsized neck and use that as a minimum seating depth. A few thousandths back from that would be better.

If they are going to set back in the tubular magazine, then either get a cannelure tool or try a different 110 grainer. CH Tool and Die made (makes?) a pretty nice, all metal old school cannelure tool.

 

[RVTECH]

I have been reading reports of people having this exact problem with their Henrys' when loading certain bullets.

I can't recall any specifics but it has been more than a few people mention it.

 

[Certaindeaf]

It looks like that bullet has two cannelures

https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/Primary/336/336780.jpg?imwidth=480

 

[RVTECH]

It looks like that bullet has two cannelures

They do - and if I remember the forward is intended for 30-30 loading.

 

[JuglansRegia]

Get a black sharpie and color that projectile black, then try chambering a round. My guess is you will see where its trying to engage the lands before you can close the breach. The black sharpie will rub off and tell the tale.

 

[Josh89]

Is it just me or does 110gr on the right look just a little fatter.the bullet not the case.