I'm looking to the future and wondering which rifle(s) I may want to secure for the grand children to use for big game; I want the lower recoil for youth, but need KO power for elk. I've seen one elk taken with a .270; fired by a youth, it seems to have done the job. Brand doesn't matter at this point, but I've seen some Weatherby Vanguards with a flat forend; I think that's a good design. .223, 30/30, & .243 are perfect for deer, but obviously too small for elk. _______________=just right for youth, deer, & elk. .308, .30-06, 45-70 would suffice, but seem too heavy for a 12 Y/O even though my grandsons are studs.... Anyone care to describe how a .270 does against elk? Thanks.