.223 and Titegroup

[NeoBlackdog]

yeah I did that load, and got two stuck bullets

Was it the 55's or the 62's that stuck?

 

[MuayThaiJJ]

Was it the 55's or the 62's that stuck?

Both, I think it has to do with a lot of factors: too much airspace, FMJ bullets, not enough pressure. It sounded like a poof, both times.

 

[Member 34319]

OP have you tried magnum primers?

Ive had 45 not ignite Titegroup in the past when loading low. I was seeing how low I could go and get functionality. Went down to 1.4 grains with 180 lead SWC. Got a few stuck halfway down the tube. The unburnt powder was the main giveaway. I want to say, without checking the 45 notes somewhere in a pile of my dead calibers, that I was getting 400-500fps when they went bang. Otherwise the typical pop of a squib was the result.

In my 223 adventures, I briefly tried cooking up subs. Never used Titegroup as it never occurred to me to try it. I want to say I was using Unique as it was way fluffier and I got good ignition. FPS, again without checking notes, was 900ish. They did not cycle at all in an AR, but behind a bolt gun it was pretty fun to dick around with. I want to say I was using 4-5 grains. Bunny farts.

 

[drstrangelove]

their are those who believe in airdet and wouldn't risk it, and those who are cavalier... there are no old bold reloaders for a reason.

 

[Dozer99]

Use cotton wadding to hold the powder in place. I have a load for my .303 with 13.3 grains of Red dot using cotton to fill up the extra space (150 grain bullet). Never had a squib and the kids love shooting them. (also have a similar load for my 7.7x58 rifles) Saves on brass.

So something to hold the powder closer to the primer might be the trick.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Would a magnum primer give better ignition for this load?

 

[arakboss]

Hey gang,

I've scoured Google and found a lot of mentions that Hodgdon lists 3.1gn of Titegroup working with .223
I did this load with some 55gr-62gr FMJ and had 2 squibs.

The only confirmed source I could find on Titegroup and .223 was on this forum, a user reportedly used 4.0gn of Titegroup: https://www.silencertalk.com/forum/view ... 98#p709898

Does anyone else have confirmed loads of .223 with TG?

thanks!
N

check out second to last entry.

 

[Member 34319]

Would a magnum primer give better ignition for this load?

When I did sub loads in 223, I used magnums.

 

[MuayThaiJJ]

check out second to last entry.

View attachment 1409549

wow, that is such a light charge, I barely got a poof with 3.1gn

 

[Mikej]

I guess I don't get trying to slow a bullet down to the point that it barely leaves the barrel. Not a risk I care to take. I use common sense. If I'm shooting something with a long barrel I am not going to use one of the powders in the top 20 fastest powders on the burn rate chart. I don't care what it says.


Slower powders don't work all that great in short barrels because they don't have time to burn completely. Resulting in mostly harmless wasted powder. OR, a poor burn and stuck bullet in an extreme case And fast powder in long barrels burns completely well before the bullet has exited the barrel. Resulting in the possibility of a bullet stuck in the barrel.

 

[thebigbaby]

Blue Dot works. I load it at 10gr for sage rats, 5gr works too.
I know the guy that did this work and have shared it with many people.

223 & Blue Dot - 24hourcampfire

www.24hourcampfire.com

@joken would this work in AR's?

 

[arakboss]

 

[Member 34319]

I guess I don't get trying to slow a bullet down to the point that it barely leaves the barrel. Not a risk I care to take. I use common sense. If I'm shooting something with a long barrel I am not going to use one of the powders in the top 20 fastest powders on the burn rate chart. I don't care what it says.


Slower powders don't work all that great in short barrels because they don't have time to burn completely. Resulting in mostly harmless wasted powder. OR, a poor burn and stuck bullet in an extreme case And fast powder in long barrels burns completely well before the bullet has exited the barrel. Resulting in the possibility of a bullet stuck in the barrel.

Suppressors change outlooks on things. Spend 600-1200 plus the guberment tax on a tube of metal that doesn't truly make 223/556 all that much quieter and you look for ways to make it truly quiet.

 

[Mikej]

Suppressors change outlooks on things. Spend 600-1200 plus the guberment tax on a tube of metal that doesn't truly make 223/556 all that much quieter and you look for ways to make it truly quiet.

Oh I'll give you that. But it doesn't change the fact that TiteGroup seems like a poor choice when there are many powders between that and H335.

 

[ma96782]

RE : Reloading .223 Rem with 55-62 grain FMJ bullets

Well, for my purposes and speaking for ME. IF, a friend asked, "I'd say....."



Aloha, Mark

PS......that all being said. Yes, there are plenty of other people out there doing some stuff that I wouldn't. "Choice".......it can be wonderful and dangerous.

 

[MuayThaiJJ]

I gave up, guys lol

.223 PACKAGE - READY to LOAD 1k rds (DIES, PRIMED BRASS, PROJECTILES, & MORE)

I was going to load these 1k rounds of .223 but I have too many things on my bench, so am letting it all go at a loss. Everything is in excellent condition in package. As a comparison, 1k primed 223 cases are $340...

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[Mikej]

I gave up, guys lol

.223 PACKAGE - READY to LOAD 1k rds (DIES, PRIMED BRASS, PROJECTILES, & MORE)

I was going to load these 1k rounds of .223 but I have too many things on my bench, so am letting it all go at a loss. Everything is in excellent condition in package. As a comparison, 1k primed 223 cases are $340...

www.northwestfirearms.com

You mean you going to give up loading .223 all together?

 

[MuayThaiJJ]

You mean you going to give up loading .223 all together?

Yeah I bought it just to see if I can use the existing powders I had for a 1911 .223 conversion, but I have so many different projects going on right now I don't really want to hunt down another powder and keep swapping calibers on my press.

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Yeah I bought it just to see if I can use the existing powders I had for a 1911 .223 conversion, but I have so many different projects going on right now I don't really want to hunt down another powder and keep swapping calibers on my press.

Waaiiittt a minute....

A 1911 .223 conversion? This is gonna require pictures and a detailed explanation!

 

[Mikej]

Yeah I bought it just to see if I can use the existing powders I had for a 1911 .223 conversion, but I have so many different projects going on right now I don't really want to hunt down another powder and keep swapping calibers on my press.

"Bay Area" guess I missed that. I presume San Francisco Bay area? .223 powder up here ahs been fairly available from time to time. No clue what getting powder in Cali might be like.