Oregon 2023 Gun Bills Dropped

[arakboss]

Introduced today. Makes illegal the possession, transfer, import, etc of unfinished frames/receivers and unserialized firearms. Also declares a state of emergency.

Oregon HB2005 | 2023 | Regular Session

Bill Text (2023-07-24) Relating to firearms; and declaring an emergency. [Chapter 229, (2023 Laws): Effective date July 13, 2023.]

legiscan.com

I see no transition period for serialization and no grandfather clause. Exemptions for dealers, antiques, and pre-1968 firearms.

EDIT: Looks like I missed this earlier thread. Mods please feel free to lock, merge, etc as appropriate. Thank you.

Oregon - 2023 Gun Bills Dropped

https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/2023-01-09# Search for Firearm https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/Pages/SearchResultsBills.aspx?k=Firearm

www.northwestfirearms.com

This place looks like a good place to get engraving done.

BYE Engraving - Reviews

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[Flymph]

Curious if a guy were to etch or stamp whatever they wanted into the receiver and call that the serial number, would that qualify? Or is this a defacto registration, cause isn't that unconstitutional under previous legal precedence?

 

[arakboss]

Curious if a guy were to etch or stamp whatever they wanted into the receiver and call that the serial number, would that qualify? Or is this a defacto registration, cause isn't that unconstitutional under previous legal precedence?

I am going to assume yes as long as it's serialized by a gunsmith or other FFL, I will be comfortable possesing it.

SECTION 4. (1) A person may not knowingly possess, offer for sale, sell or transfer a
firearm unless the firearm has been imprinted with a serial number by a federally licensed
firearm manufacturer, importer or dealer, or a gunsmith with a federal firearms license, in
accordance with federal law.

 

[arakboss]

Link to guidelines for adding serial number to homemade firearm.

The 80% Lower Serialization Guide: FAQs and How-To

Your 80% lower probably doesn't need a serial number. But in some cases, it might. Learn whether you need one and learn the engraving requirements, here.

www.gunbuilders.com

 

[PiratePast40]

Instead of trying to find out how to comply, how about doing something to try to stop it? Over and over again, we see members not giving a thought about writing or calling legislators but instead immediately accepting any suggestion of a bill that stomps on their rights. Downloadable names, addresses, and committee assignments for all representatives are available for free online. Each and every one of you should know where to find them. I'm not going to even bother posting a link. If you don't know where to find the information, you need to stop surfing porn and start searching for the information. How many here will bother to submit testimony to committees?

This is why these laws will pass with very little opposition. People are too lazy to write or call ANY legislators, but instead prepare to lick any and all boots.

Rant over for now. I'll post the lists later for those too lazy to perform the simplest of tasks.

 

[Dust2Dollars]

How about the millions of guns that were manufactured and sold that have no serial numbers??

SECTION 4. (1) A person may not knowingly possess, offer for sale, sell or transfer a
firearm unless the firearm has been imprinted with a serial number by a federally licensed
firearm manufacturer, importer or dealer, or a gunsmith with a federal firearms license, in
accordance with federal law.

 

[arakboss]

How about the millions of guns that were manufactured and sold that have no serial numbers??

SECTION 4. (1) A person may not knowingly possess, offer for sale, sell or transfer a
firearm unless the firearm has been imprinted with a serial number by a federally licensed
firearm manufacturer, importer or dealer, or a gunsmith with a federal firearms license, in
accordance with federal law.

 

[Librarian]

How about the millions of guns that were manufactured and sold that have no serial numbers??

SECTION 4. (1) A person may not knowingly possess, offer for sale, sell or transfer a
firearm unless the firearm has been imprinted with a serial number by a federally licensed
firearm manufacturer, importer or dealer, or a gunsmith with a federal firearms license, in
accordance with federal law.

Bill says

(2) This section does not apply to:
(a) Antique firearms;
(b) Firearms manufactured prior to October 22, 1968;
(c) Firearms rendered permanently inoperable;
(d) The sale, offer to sell, or transfer of a firearm to, or possession of a firearm by, a person licensed as a firearm manufacturer, importer or dealer under 18 U.S.C. 923; or
(e) A gunsmith taking possession of a firearm for the purpose of imprinting the firearm with a serial number in accordance with federal law.

I'm terribly sorry, but if one is going to ask questions about a bill, it really helps to read what's there.

It also helps to know the text conventions the bill writers must use.

'Normal type' is existing law

'Bold type' is proposed changes.

That's for bills as introduced; I don't know yet what Oregon does with subsequent revisions.

 

[Dust2Dollars]

How about the millions of guns that were manufactured and sold that have no serial numbers??

You missed the point all together!!

 

[kmk1012]

How about the millions of guns that were manufactured and sold that have no serial numbers??

You missed the point all together!!

I agree, I see it implies the need to serialize them but doesn't state it.

 

[BillM]

What the heck is an "undetectable firearm"??

Better question---why is Oregon even wasting it's time and money with something
that has been Federal law for 35 years?

The United States Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988 (18 U.S.C. § 922(p)) makes it illegal to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive any firearm that is not as detectable by walk-through metal detection as a security exemplar containing 3.7 oz (105 g) of steel, or any firearm with major components that do not generate an accurate image before standard airport imaging technology.[1]​

It was signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on November 10, 1988.[2]"​

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Emergency or not, any gangbanger arrested with an unserialized polymer 80 is just going to get released with charges later dropped by a Liberal DA.

 

[jayR]

rest assured our new governor will "make things better"

 

[OldguyZ]

However, I won't hold my breath in hopes of constitutional carry.

 

[Librarian]

How about the millions of guns that were manufactured and sold that have no serial numbers??
You missed the point all together!!

That's these

(b) Firearms manufactured prior to October 22, 1968;

SN were not required before the establishment of FFLs and the associated cruft.

EDIT - Gun Control Act of 1968 - wikipedia is good enough.

 

[arakboss]

That's these

SN were not required before the establishment of FFLs and the associated cruft.

That's a relief, since my P80 frames identify as being manufactured in 1967.

 

[Stomper]

SCOTUS already ruled against this in New York. Apparently Oregon legislators are either stupid, retarded or simply completely treasonous…

I take, "what is all three"? For the win, Alex!

 

[wingspar]

Not readily identifiable on x-ray and/or contains insufficient amounts of metal to register on metal detection devices.

This is beyond my capability to understand, but how can a firearm be a firearm if there is no detectable metal in the firearm? I did not know that there was any metal in existence that could not be detected by a metal detector. What is the barrel made of? Doesn't sound like anything I'd want in my hands.

 

[ColeInOregon]

This is beyond my capability to understand, but how can a firearm be a firearm if there is no detectable metal in the firearm? I did not know that there was any metal in existence that could not be detected by a metal detector. What is the barrel made of? Doesn't sound like anything I'd want in my hands.

Meet the Liberator 3d printed pistol:

 

[wingspar]

Well, remember legislatures actually get to make up their own definitions, so here is what they say in HB2005

which is

Think View attachment 1343560 (from Line of Fire)

That reminds me of Bill Clinton's famous quote. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

Had to Google In The Line of Fire. Been too many years since I've seen that movie and I don't remember a plastic gun in the movie. Excellent movie tho. I'd watch it again in a heart beat.