Why did my optic shear off?

[mkthegrassgrow]

Direct mill everything. Personally I hate optic plates.

I like the idea of the Aimpoint Acro-P2, Steiner MPS, Holosun 509T, ect. mounting system where it's a horizontal bolt retaining the optic (picatinny style) vs. the vertical bolts that go directly into the slide.

 

[Xmark1]

Ive never heard anything bad about S&W quality, i doubt its the screws. I think the plastic plate "rocking" under recoil is a valid theory ( which would be on S&W shoulders...)

Screws are mass produced, small chance is could be the metalurgy but I doubt it.

I just hope for your sake they dont need to replace the whole slide over this...

For my custom 10mm glock longslide, one screw has to be shorter and I didnt like how short, i orderd the next fractional size from mcmaster carr. It was a harder to find in-between size that added another thread without interfering... i might have gave it a slight file on the tip... No plastic spacer, several hundred rounds no and no issues.

I had JagerWerks mill one of my G19 slides. I had the same problem you have. I needed to use two different depth mounting screws.

 

[Koda]

I had JagerWerks mill one of my G19 slides. I had the same problem you have. I needed to use two different depth mounting screws.

Yeah, i dont like how short the one is. I have a custom G19 slide and a custom G40 slide (10mm) and for both i made custom screws for that weak side. Gains at least 1 more thread, maybe 2. Worth it for my OCD... One I went to Ace hdwr and carefully filed down to max size (chamferring the thread tip under a magnifyer was interesting...), the other i ordered that in-between size. I cant recall which gun has which now....

 

[Xmark1]

Yeah, i dont like how short the one is. I have a custom G19 slide and a custom G40 slide (10mm) and for both i made custom screws for that weak side. Gains at least 1 more thread, maybe 2. Worth it for my OCD... One I went to Ace hdwr and carefully filed down to max size (chamferring the thread tip under a magnifyer was interesting...), the other i ordered that in-between size. I cant recall which gun has which now....

Same page here.
I have always worried about that one short screw.

 

[creese]

Really?

Nice try.

Really?

Nice try.

Seriously though, I appreciate your input.

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No worries we all got tuff skin. Best of luck.

 

[FishinKings]

P.S. not all 180's are the same. for example, S&B 180's clock @ 1,100 fps.

Did you notice my 180 handloads clock at 1,250+. BIG difference in recoil!

As you know, your underwood's are extreme! Much recoil!

Xmark1

The 180's that I used were S&B, it's all I could get at the time. What powder are you using for the 180's @ 1250 fps?

 

[Xmark1]

P.S. not all 180's are the same. for example, S&B 180's clock @ 1,100 fps.

Did you notice my 180 handloads clock at 1,250+. BIG difference in recoil!

As you know, your underwood's are extreme! Much recoil!

Xmark1

The 180's that I used were S&B, it's all I could get at the time. What powder are you using for the 180's @ 1250 fps?

Bluedot - unobtainium.

 

[scottnorthwest]

Pictures don't lie. Here is a photo of some of the adaptor plates that came with the pistol. Plastic!


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Curious, does the tab on the plate sit tight against the rear of the optic?

 

[Xmark1]

Curious, does the tab on the plate sit tight against the rear of the optic?

Yep. See pictures in the 1st post.

 

[scottnorthwest]

Yep. See pictures in the 1st post.

So there are tabs front and back of optic, are they snug? If not, I bet if you shimmed them tight it would never happen again.

 

[Xmark1]

Update.

I sent the gun to S&W for warranty repair, via the label they emailed me. My tracking number says Fed-Ex delivered it to them a week ago.
Radio silence. Not a word from S&W. I am getting a bit worried. Is this normal, to be ignored as such? Anyone have experience with S&W?
It seems to me they could have at least acknowledged receipt of my pistol.

 

[spookshack]

Holiday(s) probably slow things down a bit. I've not been overly impressed with S&W's warranty service.

 

[Koda]

Update.

I sent the gun to S&W for warranty repair, via the label they emailed me. My tracking number says Fed-Ex delivered it to them a week ago.
Radio silence. Not a word from S&W. I am getting a bit worried. Is this normal, to be ignored as such? Anyone have experience with S&W?
It seems to me they could have at least acknowledged receipt of my pistol.

Its not uncommon to have to reach out to them for an update, but Id wait till late next week due to the holiday.

 

[FishinKings]

It was six weeks before mine was shipped back. I was happy with the work they did removing the screws.

 

[titsonritz]

Plastic plates are lame. I much prefer a direct mount but if using a plate at least go with one from FCD or CHPWS.

 

[spookshack]

I recently picked up a plate from Leupold to run their DDP on my M&P 1.0 CORE. That plate is all metal goodness and is THiCC with two C's! The DPP is a really tall optic and this only adds to the overall height. No big deal, as this gun is strictly a range gun.

I'll try and get some pics and post them up.

 

[Xmark1]

So, today marks the date.
I sent my Smith to the factory to have the broken screws removed, TWO MONTHS ago!
I emailed them again yesterday and still have no response.
Asked them if they lost my gun and if I should fill out a stolen weapon report.

Radio silence - this is what to expect from the people at Smith & Wesson.
Can customer service get much worse?

 

[Koda]

Radio silence - this is what to expect from the people at Smith & Wesson.
Can customer service get much worse?

Yes, Ive got worse but hoping for the best for you but I suspect they are scratching their heads trying to figure out how to extract those screws or making you a new slide.

 

[Xmark1]

In summary. After months of waiting, S&W simply sent me a new slide.
They did not bother to try and remove the broken screws.
This could have been taken care of in a week.

The End.

 

[Certaindeaf]

In summary. After months of waiting, S&W simply sent me a new slide.
They did not bother to try and remove the broken screws.
This could have been taken care of in a week.
S&W customer service is poor.

The End.

How was the fasteners breaking their fault?