Why Can't I Shoot a Semi-Auto???

[sobo]

Tri Cities, about 2 hours drive from you according to Google.

Welcome!

Classes aren't in the budget for me right now,

Take Steve at Cerberus up on his offer now. Don't wait.

...I do want to seek out some kind of professional training

I use Practical Edge Shooting a lot.

and more range time in general.

Join the Tri-Cities Shooting Association (www.TCSA.info). Their range at Rattlesnake Mountain outside of Benton City is great.

 

[1911Fanatic]

Tri Cities, about 2 hours drive from you according to Google. Classes aren't in the budget for me right now, I'm doing a masters degree entirely out of pocket, but when I'm done I do want to seek out some kind of professional training and more range time in general.

My son is in Benton City. Perhaps the two of you could go shoot. If he is close by. He could probably help ya. He;s a pretty expert shooter.

 

[Boyandhisdogs]

Welcome!
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Take Steve at Cerberus up on his offer now. Don't wait.


I use Practical Edge Shooting a lot.


Join the Tri-Cities Shooting Association (www.TCSA.info). Their range at Rattlesnake Mountain outside of Benton City is great.

I go there often, I like it!

 

[orygun]

My advice would be to get yourself a nice little 22 auto, something like a Ruger 22/45 or a Buckmark and go shoot it.

I say the same. It allows you to see and correct what you just did. Flinches show up real good that way.
My wife wasn't shooting her Glock worth a damn. I gave her my Ruger 22 to shoot and told her to watch what she was doing. I then coached her a little on trigger pull and off she went. When she picked up her Glock a little while later I reminded her to shoot it the same as the Ruger and she was a lot better.

 

[1775usmc]

Just buy a P320. I hear they shoot themselves.

 

[sobo]

Also, I like the technique of (blindly) adding snap caps to the magazine. I do that with a lot of shooters that ask me for help, and I've even done it myself.

 

[sobo]

Just buy a P320. I hear they shoot themselves.

Thought you saw the error of your ways on that one, 1775...

 

[thorborg]

Suppressed auto bigotry?
Mental or physical, looks like you could use some hands on professional help.
Many times knowledgeable others can see what we cant. Over sixty years ago, another helped me by discovering I was left eye dominant shooting right handed. What an instant change for my shooting life.

 

[sobo]

...another helped me by discovering I was left eye dominant shooting right handed. What an instant change for my shooting life.

Same here. And that discovery actually made all the difference for me in putting rounds on target at speed.

 

[Oxygen Mask]

I'll do it for free if you get out this way.

http://cerberus-training.com

Awesomeness!

Your not the only one brother! I have fought this since the beginning back in 2010. I had taken that "Wheel of Misfortune" serious. One thing I felt helped me is strengthening my grip a little and trying to isolate my trigger finger from the my grip. I would set my grip, not strangling the gun grip, but firming it. And keep the trigger finger loose. I aim, this sounds so silly, trigger finger in safe position, place finger on trigger, and return trigger finger to safe position several times. I do this while keeping sight on target and emphasis one staying steady on target. If a can follow through with that I can get in the 1" inch black center at 35'. I know it sounds goofy as hell. I started doing this with a CZsp01 in .40. And can do a little better with a 9mm 1911.

Okay, "Ridicule"!

Fixing my grip was huge for me. First was getting my grip and presentation working well. Then tightening my grip.
I got the idea here:

View: https://youtu.be/kXLwuV-eV-U?si=ewtKkh8xe9nJUjgI

Made a huge difference.

 

[1775usmc]

Thought you saw the error of your ways on that one, 1775...

Ahhh. But it's still a running joke that I enjoy.

 

[titsonritz]

I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have a Glock 19 (9mm) and a 1911 (Full size, .45) and I can't shoot either one worth a darn. I'd guess about 70% of my shots end up going significantly to the left. I can't tell what I am doing differently with the ones that do land on target other than shooting "more carefully", though I still miss when I think I am being careful. With the 9mm it is directly left, with the .45 is is more down-left. Never off to the right. I shoot rifles and revolvers pretty well, I even shoot my little snubby 442 significantly better than either one of my automatics that are so popular with target shooters and the tactical crowd.

With both autos I hold them in two hands, thumbs forward grip, pressing the trigger with the pad of my finger like you would on a rifle. I shoot revolvers with the finger joint but that feels very odd on anything else. I have tried dry firing both guns with a laser and my dry fire trigger pull is fine, but something is happening out there on the range with live fire. I have seen that pistol correction chart and it makes sense for the .45 because I do notice myself squeezing the gun as it goes off but I have no idea what I am doing wrong with the Glock.

Here is the chart for those who are not familiar:

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That pie chart is a load of crap, here's one based in reality…



Here's an earlier thread on this subject, note post #57.

Glock shoots left

Hello all, New to me Glock has a POI that's 4-5" left of the POA at 15 yards. Anyone else dealt with this before? Barrel is centered in the slide, crown shows no perceptible damage, not sure where to look for the culprit but my ocd would appreciate being able to drift the rear sight back to the...

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[sobo]

That pie chart is a load of crap, here's one based in reality…

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Already posted by Steve yesterday...

 

[titsonritz]

Already posted by Steve yesterday...

Good, it bears repeating because people continue to post that lame crap. I've got to wonder how many shooters over the years have bought into the POS. Also for anyone interested, there is an article on that chart written by John McPhee linked in post I mentioned above.

 

[sobo]

Also for anyone interested, there is an article on that chart written by John McPhee linked in post I mentioned above.

Good article (Why the Pie Chart is Junk Science), and the one before it (Why Trigger Jerk is a Myth). Thanks!

Go to tits's linked thread above (Glock Shoots Left), and the post he's talking about is Post #57.

 

[orygun]

Thought you saw the error of your ways on that one, 1775...

Oh, Jesus! You can't be serious?

 

[Boyandhisdogs]

Good article (Why the Pie Chart is Junk Science), and the one before it (Why Trigger Jerk is a Myth). Thanks!

Go to tits's linked thread above (Glock Shoots Left), and the post he's talking about is Post #57.

Agreed. I think the pie chart is so popular because its quick and easy to share, and tempting because it offers quick and easy answers. I do believe that I am choking/milking the .45 because I can feel myself doing it. In that case the chart is right but with the Glock I'll have to do some dry firing to see if I can replicate the issue.

Here is the article if anyone is curious:

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Why The Pie Chart is Junk Science

No one knows from whence it came and its conclusions are dubious, at best.

www.shootingillustrated.com

 

[Boyandhisdogs]

I did some dry firing, with the laser and with a penny balanced on the front sight of the Glock, with the 6-ish pound OEM trigger. No noticeable wiggle with the laser, and didn't drop the penny. I tried using different parts of my finger on the trigger to see if I could replicate the leftwards pull, but could not no matter how much finger was on the trigger.

Must be a flinch? I don't have any 9mm snap caps but I'll order some. I do have .45 and .38 snap caps but I already know that I flinch with the .45 and don't have an issue with the .38. Maybe it has something to do with the slide reciprocation? I'm not really scared of it biting my hand, both of these guns have decent beavertails and it's never really been something I was afraid of or even think about. Maybe it's a mental thing where it feels like the automatics are jumping out of my hand where the revolvers are going into my hand? I definitely got the "about to jump out of my hand" feeling when I first started shooting the .45.

Just brainstorming

 

[roseburger]

I did some dry firing, with the laser and with a penny balanced on the front sight of the Glock, with the 6-ish pound OEM trigger. No noticeable wiggle with the laser, and didn't drop the penny. I tried using different parts of my finger on the trigger to see if I could replicate the leftwards pull, but could not no matter how much finger was on the trigger.

Must be a flinch? I don't have any 9mm snap caps but I'll order some. I do have .45 and .38 snap caps but I already know that I flinch with the .45 and don't have an issue with the .38. Maybe it has something to do with the slide reciprocation? I'm not really scared of it biting my hand, both of these guns have decent beavertails and it's never really been something I was afraid of or even think about. Maybe it's a mental thing where it feels like the automatics are jumping out of my hand where the revolvers are going into my hand? I definitely got the "about to jump out of my hand" feeling when I first started shooting the .45.

Just brainstorming

Shoot a mag. Dry fire with a penny. Shoot a mag. Dry fire with a penny.

 

[NeoBlackdog]

When you're going left with the Glock, how fast are you shooting? Are you unconsciously slapping the trigger? Are you shooting it from the reset or doing the full trigger pull? Are your fingers short so that even though you might be using the pad you're hitting the trigger from the side?