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What will happen to gun rights if Gary Johnson is elected?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by ArgyleAdams, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. ArgyleAdams

    ArgyleAdams Portland, OR Active Member

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    In response to the other "What will happen..." threads: Let's not forget our third-party candidates. They deserve to be speculated about too.

    Gun Rights

    So what do you all think? Is this guy the real deal?
     
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  2. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    Nothing, because one man cannot possibly bring down decades of government malfeasance.
     
  3. Botte Hork

    Botte Hork Camas WA Well-Known Member

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    Great, but how much traction will the man have in Congress? If he pisses off both Dems and Reps you might get 2 years of complete political gridlock. Politics are not a one man show.
     
  4. slingshot1943

    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    We need changes but they need to be made within the two major parties.
     
  5. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    We need changes including elimnating the 2 party system not feeding it!

    Johnson is very gun friendly and the only one of the choices that I trust. I prefer Paul, but tht isnt going to happen.. So I myself have been looking strongly at Johnson.
    (ya, ya, ya... vote for him is a vote obomney... vote for the lesser of two evils.... your tossing away your vote.. yadda yadda yadda. I will at least feel like I have voted for someone that believes in gun rights, state right, THE REPUBLIC! And might actualy be honest....)

    However nothing will happen as he will not have any pull to do much of anything...... ;(
     
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  6. beavertonbuck

    beavertonbuck Beaverton Active Member

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    You say that likes it a bad thing. I am voting for Johnson because he aligns with most of my political, economic and social views. It is also important to realize that when he was Governor of NM that he actually cut the budget of the state. Note I said actually because what the Republican and Democrats are calling cuts is really that the growth of government spending the next year was going to be X put we are going to cut it to Y. This constitutes a cut in government speak even if Y is higher than the previous year's budget.

    As much as I like the idea of Congress in gridlock I think the opposite might actually happen. If Johnson says that I will veto any budget sent to me that doesn't reduce spending below the previous year's budget or any bill that grows the federal government's power, then I think you will see bipartisan billsthat can get the required votes to overcome a veto. But I am not kidding myself though, Johnson doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell of winning.
     
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  7. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    So what happens if we have 3 fully funded, fairly even candidates come general election time?
    33.4% becomes a majority.
    Do you really want that small of a majority to determine how the electoral college makes their selection?

    Recently, Mexico elected their prez with 38% of the vote in a 3-way race. I can't see something like that being good for the U.S.

    YMMV.
    Personally. I think we need primaries that are closer to the general election time-wise, and for a shorter duration.
    Currently not enough emphasis is concentrated on the primaries, so we end up with less-than-stellar choices come November.
     
  8. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    I agree with John Adams.
    I find the two party system bad.
    I find the primary idea bad. There should be no primary, it should all be done via caucus.
    I have no problem with three... four.. five...
    I disagree with primaries. We do not have a democracy, we have a Repbublic. The Two party system we have trapped ourselves into, the voting of the lesser of two evils has degraded our choices to what we have to day.. not much of a choice.
    just my 2cents on the matter.
     
  9. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Vote Gary Johnson!
     
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    aslinged Southern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    If Johnson gets elected all the pink elephants and unicorns that come to populate the landscape (to the mention the legion of monkeys flying out of our asses) will really cause a lot of havoc with respect to gun rights.
     
  11. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    Wow! I thought Unicorns were with Obama!
    Quite the visual.. would make it interesting to see if he could pull off a win..
     
  12. beavertonbuck

    beavertonbuck Beaverton Active Member

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    There have been 15 presidents that have been elected with less than 50% of the popular vote and I don't consider that a good thing. The problem with a two party monopoly is that we really don't have a choice. Increasing both sides are anti-freedom and support runaway spending albeit on different things. Everyone that is running for office has quite frankly been vetted by the respective party insiders. That for at least the next generation or two you will never see a Republican presidental candidate support gay marriage or less spending on the military. Likewise you aren't going to see a Democratic candidate that isn't pro-choice or say that regulations/laws are killing the private sector which drives prosperity. That isn't because their aren't members that feel that way but rather that the party makes sure that they don't play a prominent role within the organization.
     
  13. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    So why not have a run-off system that pares the field down to the last two candidates?
    Then we can see if there is viability in the additional parties/candidates.
    But don't be surprised if the liberal party co-opts the green party, and the progressive party, and the socialist party.

    Let's face it, if the repubs don't get their fecal matter in a stack, the TEA party is going to take the conservative movement and vote away from them, and the country will stop being pulled to the left through "compromise" with an ever more leftist democrat party.
    The "blue dog" democrats are a dying breed.
    This isn't your dad's democrat party anymore, and it's time we brought the country back to the center.
    JFK is spinning in his grave.

    But don't get me wrong, in no way am I ever going to advocate that the conservative party make concessions on $16T worth of debt. Especially when the GDP is in the tank, and businesses are on the ropes due to over-regulation, and uncertainty in the energy market, and taxation.

    You want social programs? Fine. Get the country back on stable footing economically, and figure out how to pay for your programs FIRST, before they are implemented.
    No more buying votes with my money, that I haven't even made yet!
     
  14. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    I dont see why or understand why it need to be brought to only two choices.
    The way it is now is how it will always be I fear as there is no way the Dems/REBS are going to let another in. Heck, Johnson cant even get a voice in the debates. I think that would make the debates more interesting to watch!
    I have been a reb all my voting life... But the party has made me sick! Romney makes me sicker.. I am a PCO, I go to the cuacas, local and state conventions, play delegats wave signs and play all the parts of an involved in the party and every year I become more sick of the whole thing. This time around they didnt even try to hide the corruption and both parties have proven they dont care about the people its all about the power.. I want more choices, more options.. more compitition! What we have now is crap... I wont vote for OboMney... just cant do it.
     
  15. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Fine.
    Then be prepared to live with the decisions that (possibly) only 34% of voters voted for.

    I don't know about your world, but 34% doesn't make a majority in any math I was ever taught.
    I see it as a recipe for social unrest and fiscal disaster.
     
  16. ArgyleAdams

    ArgyleAdams Portland, OR Active Member

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    Instant-runoff voting is an excellent system to address the problems that have been brought up regarding the ability to win with a 34% (or less) "majority."

    Instant-runoff voting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's simple and it allows the people to have a say in who wins, even it it's not their first choice.
     
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    rur862 Seattle Active Member

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    I will be voting Gary Johnson this November. As a Republican who participated in the Primary caucus process I got a chance to witness first-hand how establishment leaders violated rules just to get the nomination for Romney. I continue to be a Republican but Romney is a fraud and I won't encourage the destruction of the Republican party by voting for him.
     
  18. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    That was my feeling after my county convention and state at Tacoma... I left feeling like it didnt matter what the people wanted. Kirby is... well, Ill refrain from the words Id like to express. And after watching many of the other state conventions on U-stream live then the apex in Tampa.. ya, its all a fraud.
     
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    rur862 Seattle Active Member

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    I was actually worked security at the Pierce county convention. It was ridiculously packed, we had a hard time getting everyone in on time. I also went to the state convention as a delegate from oly where I got a chance to witness Kirby seat the illegally elected King county delegation. Makes me sick thinking about it.
     
  20. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    we are not a democracy, majority is not always the winner in a Republic, sometimes it the stronger voice.
    Democracy is two wolfs and a sheep deciding what is for dinner, a Republic is two wolfs and a well armed sheep deciding what is what for dinner.. :)

    I am ok with that kind of outcome. In most states this November there will be at least 3 choices to choose from, I doubt there will be anywhere close to a %33 spit in the vote. I would rather have choices, not a lesser of two evils as a vote for the less of two evils is still a vote for evil and that hasn't done us very well..
     
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