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what is wrong with kids these days. 2nd school shooting in 2 days

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by mrblond, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. mrblond

    mrblond Salem OR Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand it. Are all of these collage kids all going mental? I am wondering though if this has been happening its just now getting some news coverage these days.

    Sounds like this latest shooting might be a false alarm....
     
  2. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    they're young and stupid and following the national trend of "if you're being picked on" you get a gun and shoot em. It's not like the old days when you got fed up with it you beat the crap out of them with a 2 by 4 or a brick.
    It's quite disturbing and is wreaking havoc on our 2A rights fight!!! AARRRRGGGGG
     
  3. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I think, as I've said before, that its a combination of things.

    Parenting is the biggest....as in a lack of. Regardless of what others think, I believe the entertainment industry is also to blame. Then, you have the medical industry, most of these kids are "depressed" , so they are on a cocktail of drugs. Then, poor diet and a lack of exercise. Then, to top it all off, you have the idiotic educational system that instills socialist ideology into these kids to make them think they're all winners....which is laughable at best.

    It pretty obvious we are in dire need of a hard reset when it comes to dealing with this generation of young people.
     
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  4. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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  5. Audrey

    Audrey Willamette Valley Active Member

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    It's sardonic to misspell college when berating stupidity.

    Mental illness is a thing, as are poor parenting, neglect of the child in question, and glorification of violence by news organizations. I think there are many contributing factors and warning signs. A big question is always how did the person get the gun? The parents should have been responsible about locking their equipment in a safe that the child cannot open. No teenager is entirely stable (not that all teens are prone to violence), so there is no reason to allow them unfettered access to guns. It's irresponsible adults that frustrate me in these situations. Sure in a college setting the person may have personally purchased equipment. I think better mental health understanding, treatment options, and reduced social sigma could be important factors there. At some point a violent person will be violent. Our population is growing, so incidents will naturally increase.
     
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  6. accessbob

    accessbob Molalla, OR 2A Supporter

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    Just stating what I see as the problem. The removal of God from schools means that there is less of a chance that they will have a sense that there is a higher power to which they will be accountable. So, if all that exists is you are born and then die, and there are no consequences, why should they care? I know that this walks the tightrope of our rules here but it is what I am seeing.
     
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  7. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    You misspelled our.

    Just sayin...
     
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  8. bnsaibum

    bnsaibum Corvallis, OR Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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  9. Audrey

    Audrey Willamette Valley Active Member

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    Why would you need religion at school? Churches still exist. I knew many, many people that went to Church activities during the week when I was in High School. My High School also had a time each week during the day for clubs to meet. The clubs had to be student ran. I had two friends (and one I am still very close to) that ran a Christian club. Literally hundreds of members came to the meetings; they had trouble finding a meeting space large enough. No one had a problem with it and people really enjoy themselves at the club meetings. It was prayer and Bible study with some time for sharing personal experiences or problems people were facing.

    Religion is a cultural and social thing, not an academic one. If people want to be religious or have their children be religious there are ample opportunities for that in life.

    I also deny the notion that being areligious means you have no sense of morality. Being beholden to yourself is very powerful. I think that for some people being beholden to an afterlife concept before being beholden to yourself and your community could be less powerful. Teens and young adults in particular are generally poor at looking ahead very far into the future; they are troubled by the here-and-now.

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    Indeed. A typo; r and t are keyboard neighbors. E and a are not.

    Just sayin'.
     
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  10. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I sincerely disagree with this statement - "I also deny the notion that being areligious means you have no sense of morality. Being beholden to yourself is very powerful."

    Its not logical and very contradictory. The same people that rally for strict gun laws while standing on the corpses and graves of those killed by madmen are the same people who are "beholden unto themselves" that support thousands of abortions or , can we just call it like it is, murder of unborn children, everyday with no issue. Lack of morality is not empowering....just the opposite.

    As I don't want this to turn into a theological debate and get the thread shut down, that's all I'll say.
     
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  11. accessbob

    accessbob Molalla, OR 2A Supporter

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    You can disagree all you want but the truth of the matter is that the timing of things getting worse and worse coincides with the removal. And for those who are not religous, I'm not saying that people can't come out right without it. But there is a greater likelihood given the moral breakdown of our society since the removal. And I'm not even saying that it has to do with any one religion. But just the cultural cleansing of that which inherantly is more likely to produce a moral society (and our forefathers actually wrote as much).
     
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  12. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    I think it weird how it all kinda springs up this time of year....when thing are on the bargaining table, as far as kids......they suffer no consequences anymore so therefor have no fear of the repercussion of their actions, also it is so embellished by the media that it is almost glamorized to a developing mind.
     
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    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    Don H Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yes, and it can also be very delusional. Since beholden means 'under a moral obligation to someone,' and if that 'someone' is you, then you are saying there is no absolute moral laws and morals are whatever you say they are.
     
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    Audrey Willamette Valley Active Member

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    There are many examples of religious people, spokesmen, officials, etc. doing things that would be considered morally deplorable. Morality is a personal thing, which can be influenced by religious teaching, but ultimately is defined by internal principals and not a fear of retribution post mortem.

    Yes, and I think that is true for every single person; religious or not.
     
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  16. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    What's wrong with kids?

    *Parents. Whether it is due to culture unacceptance or fear of Law Enforcement reprisal, there are no negative consequences for their actions. Parents don't swat their children anymore- now mind you I discipline my kids. I'm not talking about beating them into submission or simply resorting to the paddle every time they do something wrong, but I do not reward negative behavior...ever. Kids need supervision and guidance when they're young, not just thrown in front of a TV and left alone. They also pick up a lot of what their parents/other grownups do. If you push mommy because you're upset, they'll push someone because they're upset.

    *Schools. Currently, there's no outlook for their frustrations. I remember a time that if I had an issue with another kid we would duke it out. I remember a guy that thought it was funny to spit on me. He may have won the fight but he never spat on me again because he knew I would fight back. Now-a-days? Both kids suspended, police called, charges...what's a kid going to do? It's not like I could have moved classes or told my dad to handle it for me.

    We've become too much of a Nanny State...wanting the government to tell us how to raise our children and constantly intervene. What ever happened to a community helping each other out? "It takes a village" and all that? I'll tell you when, if anyone ever spanked my kids I would probably shake their hand for it.
     
  17. Don H

    Don H Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Well, Audrey. You just answered the question posed in this thread. However, if you think religion is only about a 'fear of retribution postmortem' then you don't know anything about religion.. and you are entirely correct as the judge of all things is Audrey, to Audrey. Axiomatic, indeed.
     
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  18. U201491

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    There are no good morals being taught.
    There is no right and wrong being taught.
    There is no discipline being used and simple effective discipline is outlawed.
    There are few to no effective disciplinary measures being done.
    There is no value being placed on another persons life any longer.
    There is little to no respect for the property of others being taught anymore.
    Christian values and pride in country are forbidden to be taught in schools.
    The ten commandments AND the US Constitution is belittled, trampled and forbidden in the schools.
    Kids are being brainwashed to see left as right and right as wrong.
    Communism, Marxism and left wing socialism has invaded DC, State offices, Education, Government Agencies and every control facet of the country.
    Unless serious changes are made soon, America will cease to he a free nation, a free republic.
    An extreme purge needs to happen and soon. Either at the ballot box or it will be done in the streets, valleys and mountains of the country.
     
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  19. Audrey

    Audrey Willamette Valley Active Member

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    My comment was directed as a reply. I did not use a quote, so please excuse the confusion. Of course religion has a broader meaning beyond considerations of the afterlife.
     
  20. RifleEnthusiast

    RifleEnthusiast Close to Oregon City Active Member

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    Parents not doing their job, and all the crap going on in the media, a few other things, I'd say it's a 60/30/10 % responsibility split.