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[Oregonhunter5]

need some help. Not from tin foil freaks. But do most folks feel the info given about that shooting is the whole story? And if you feel it's a cover up, explain, cause I don't fall in the crowd that the law enforcement in vegas is out to kill us.

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[2Wheels4Ever]

What else is there to believe? A crazy guy shot a bunch of people. As to the exact sequence of events, that is a he said she said game played by people that are looking for some sort of conclusion on the event. There is none. Nobody will be able to understand why this madman did crazy things.

Some say that there was more than one shooter due to the sounds of gun fire. However, what most who believe this are not aware of is that sounds do interesting things when bouncing off large walls. Also, while this mad man was shooting in different directions, it would have sounded as though the point of origin was changing.

We need to stop talking about this and let it take a quiet place in history. The more we do the more we give other crazies the thought of infamy. I flipped a coin on posting this or not, heads it is.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

I see your points. I do think the only thing that bothers me is this. Why did it take over an hour to get to the room he was shooting from? That's a long time. I also don't care to let this fall into history right now.

 

[DirectDrive]

What else is there to believe? A crazy guy shot a bunch of people. As to the exact sequence of events, that is a he said she said game played by people that are looking for some sort of conclusion on the event. There is none. Nobody will be able to understand why this madman did crazy things.

Some say that there was more than one shooter due to the sounds of gun fire. However, what most who believe this are not aware of is that sounds do interesting things when bouncing off large walls. Also, while this mad man was shooting in different directions, it would have sounded as though the point of origin was changing.

We need to stop talking about this and let it take a quiet place in history. The more we do the more we give other crazies the thought of infamy. I flipped a coin on posting this or not, heads it is.

This ^^^

Unfortunately we live in a conspiracy theory society these days.
Don't let it own you and spin things out of control.

 

[Hawaiian]

The Russian's did it.

 

[Connor Murphy]

Madman seems to be the catchall term for this sort of thing nowadays. There is evil in the world, real evil. And not all of it is crazy.

 

[Goosebrown]

need some help. Not from tin foil freaks. But do most folks feel the info given about that shooting is the whole story? And if you feel it's a cover up, explain, cause I don't fall in the crowd that the law enforcement in vegas is out to kill us.

The story is banal and complete. There may be some arguments about time but what you see is what happened. There is nothing here.

 

[L84Cabo]

Has the investigation been closed and I missed it? Because it's silly to be talking about a "cover up" until the investigation is complete.

 

[Boboclown]

The truth is out there somewhere... And it involves a crazy guy.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Sorry, but this story stinks.
I saw the pics of the room in the aftermath, and there ain't near enough empty casings on the floor.
And then there's Mr Campos,... I ain't buyin' THAT load of horse-pucky either.

 

[2Wheels4Ever]

Sorry, but this story stinks.
I saw the pics of the room in the aftermath, and there ain't near enough empty casings on the floor.
And then there's Mr Campos,... I ain't buyin' THAT load of horse-pucky either.

My ar throws brass at 2 o'clock. That would be out the window.....

 

[RicInOR]

View attachment 400129 MGM Vegas, Sons of Liberty - The indelible image of sin city Las Vegas and the money it generates is much more important than getting the truth to improve security. Make no mistake that MGM is getting preferential treatment. Whatever happens in Vegas truly stays in Vegas, including a massacre. Mandalay Bay was never shut down for a single second despite being a crime scene and MGM never issued any statement to families and people staying at the casino post shooting. This is callous and connotes a cover up. The Mandalay Bay/MGM enabled Paddock to carry out this mass shooting by facilitating his plan. They catered to him at every whim and by failing to enter his room or if they did, failed to report unusual behavior.

Are MGM & Mandalay Bay Calling the Shots on what is Being Released to the Public and What Isn't?

 

[308]

I suppose one person's definition of a tin foil freak could be anyone with an opinion slightly different than their own.

I tend to listen to initial reports and then watch to see how soon they get scrubbed from the official narrative. Odd things have happened. One gal who was vocal about being shot at from ground level and stated not to believe what the news media was saying mentioned how as they were running it sounded like they were being pursued at ground level. She said as they moved to another area, they had shots coming at them from another direction. She was found dead in her home a few days later.

Of course we need out heroes right? So let's take the guy who stole a truck, drove victims to the hospital and give him a brand new truck....

The guy who said the smell of gun powder at ground level was intense.

The disappearing "hotel hero" and his pal who happened to have time to spill their guts on Ellen...only to receive rewards for doing so?
I thought this was the "greatest mass shooting in US history" and those tools were spilling their guts on Ellen?

But hey, as long as the narrative gets out and we can ban one more insignificant firearms related item, who am I to question the narrative.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

Madman seems to be the catchall term for this sort of thing nowadays. There is evil in the world, real evil. And not all of it is crazy.

"Nothing happened to me, Officer Starling. I happened. You can't reduce me to a set of influences. You've given up good and evil for behaviorism, Officer Starling. You've got everybody in moral dignity pants— nothing is ever anybody's fault. Look at me, Officer Starling. Can you stand to say I'm evil? Am I evil, Officer Starling?" - Chapter 3 of The Silence of the Lambs

I love this quote. It sums up to me so much of what our society has forgotten.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

I do know this. Country music type crowd were shot up. Read into that the way you'd like.....

 

[Koda]

I see your points. I do think the only thing that bothers me is this. Why did it take over an hour to get to the room he was shooting from? That's a long time. I also don't care to let this fall into history right now.

if it took them an hour then why did he stop shooting after 10 minutes or so?

I'm not certain why we should question how long it took them to get to him? How do you piece all that together unless its your job to stop mass shooters in action. In a unsettling way to say this due to the tragedy, I'm impressed with the reaction time myself... to figure out where the fire was coming from and mobilize a swat team on target, pre-prepared to detonate thru the barricaded door and get to him.

My ar throws brass at 2 o'clock. That would be out the window.....

depends on how far back from the window you are and other things...

I do know this. Country music type crowd were shot up. Read into that the way you'd like.....

What? what does that mean? The guy targeted other music genre concerts... are you implying anything about country music fans? If so Im wasting my time in this conversation.

 

[Oathkeeper1775]

In 12th grade I was tasked with proving (in a debate) that the JFK assassination was a conspiracy. My opponent was a football star who had to prove it was not. I got a "C", he got an "A".

This thread is no different!

OP, you prove that it was not a conspiracy with the same standard you are applying to those who think Vegas was a conspiracy.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

if it took them an hour then why did he stop shooting after 10 minutes or so?

I'm not certain why we should question how long it took them to get to him? How do you piece all that together unless its your job to stop mass shooters in action. In a unsettling way to say this due to the tragedy, I'm impressed with the reaction time myself... to figure out where the fire was coming from and mobilize a swat team on target, pre-prepared to detonate thru the barricaded door and get to him.


depends on how far back from the window you are and other things...


What? what does that mean? The guy targeted other music genre concerts... are you implying anything about country music fans? If so Im wasting my time in this conversation.

Settle down.
I'm the biggest country music fan there is. There's more to this story, that will come out sooner than later.

 

[RicInOR]

Of course we need out heroes right? So let's take the guy who stole a truck, drove victims to the hospital and give him a brand new truck....

I heard the local Ford dealership did something like that; new to him. $20,000 2013 Ford F-150 pickup

Marine vet who rescued Las Vegas shooting victims gets a truck

 

[Diamondback]

In 12th grade I was tasked with proving (in a debate) that the JFK assassination was a conspiracy. My opponent was a football star who had to prove it was not. I got a "C", he got an "A".

This thread is no different!

OP, you prove that it was not a conspiracy with the same standard you are applying to those who think Vegas was a conspiracy.

You got the hard assignment because Coach's Special Snowflake needed the help inflating his sub-retard grades. Jocks always get preferential treatment...