Thoughts on 1791?

[titsonritz]

So for Hollywood or quick draw artists are why older holsters had exposed triggers?

It wasn't either, ever duty holsters were that way…:

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[Koda]

It wasn't either, ever duty holsters were that way…:

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So essentially back then the trigger guard was left fully exposed for speed on the draw, essentially a tactical reason with guns of that day. I could see this maybe ok with a DA revolver but not one of todays thumb safety-less striker fired guns.
And even with a DA revolver there were still NDs....

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As popular as they were, the clamshell holsters had weaknesses that couldn't be ignored.


The design required the user to put his finger into the trigger guard to release the gun, which led to some negligent discharges when officers fumbled the draw. While placing the trigger finger into the trigger guard during the draw was a commonplace practice during this era, and was encouraged by almost every popular police holster design of the 1940s through the early 1970s (such as the Jordan-style police holster), it created a special hazard in the clamshell holster."

 

[titsonritz]

So essentially back then the trigger guard was left fully exposed for speed on the draw, essentially a tactical reason with guns of that day.

Yep

 

[Koda]

Yep

still cant recommend 1791 though...

 

[titsonritz]

still cant recommend 1791 though...
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Completely different time and weapon.

Uh, just no. What I've seen of them, they are like a leather version of Uncle Mike's. I only buy real holsters.

I'm with this guy on that subject.

 

[WAYNO]

I've gotta say I'm at a loss to understand the criticism of these holsters.

I own many holsters, of many makers. These 1791 holsters are some of my favorite. Then to hear they are awful, seems like I'm on a different planet, and wonder if folks are just jumping on the internet bashwagon.

I would ask of the haters, honestly, have you ever actually owned or used any 1791 products?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I have two of them and they are only range holsters now, not carry. I had an issue with their retention of the belt clip. Was playing with kiddo and gun in holster went flying across the yard. The belt clip is not up to snuff imo.

Nowadays I prefer the urban carry hybrid holster. Kydex covered by leather. So far no flying guns in holsters ha ha. It does sit too high in the belt for my taste though.

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[Koda]

I would ask of the haters, honestly, have you ever actually owned or used any 1791 products?

I havnt and wont. I dont need to try to know... all their options for the guns I use have exposed trigger guards, more or less. I wont buy a holster with an exposed trigger guard.

Side note, that doesnt mean they are not constructed well or not high quality craftsmanship, but they missed an important design intent for modern day holsters.

 

[Dogbone38Super]

Whatever add agency that did the photo in the first post should be fired. The holster and gun belt I have are heavy duty and well made.

 

[dangerranger60]

I'd say the holster is fine. The idiots that took the pic, and the advertising people that approved it should go back to taking pics of fruit bowls. DR

 

[orygun]

I have 2 1791 holsters. Very pleased with them, not to mention the price was fantastic.
Here's one.

 

[dangerranger60]

I havnt and wont. I dont need to try to know... all their options for the guns I use have exposed trigger guards, more or less. I wont buy a holster with an exposed trigger guard.

Side note, that doesnt mean they are not constructed well or not high quality craftsmanship, but they missed an important design intent for modern day holsters.

With the hammer down and the retention strap over the hammer you could not pull the trigger if you wanted too. absolutely safe for an exposed hammer DA revolver. not so much with a hammerless revolver or a striker semi. Most of my holsters from before 1980 have an exposed trigger. DR

 

[orygun]

I would ask of the haters, honestly, have you ever actually owned or used any 1791 products?

I posted before I read most of the thread and I was left wondering the same thing.
My only disappointment is that 1791 doesn't make a holster like I showed my 686 in for an N frame.

 

[Koda]

With the hammer down and the retention strap over the hammer you could not pull the trigger if you wanted too. absolutely safe for an exposed hammer DA revolver. not so much with a hammerless revolver or a striker semi. Most of my holsters from before 1980 have an exposed trigger. DR

yes, I understand the history of DA holsters and thats fine for those guns but theres no excuse for a holster company to not know this is bad...

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[orygun]

yes, I understand the history of DA holsters and thats fine for those guns but theres no excuse for a holster company to not know this is bad...
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Optic Ready BH2.4S - Open Top Multi-Fit Holster 2.4S - 1791 Gunleather

This Open Top Multi-Fit Belt Holster, conveniently referred to as the BH2.4S, offers excellent retention for a wide range of firearms. Fittings 4 inch barrels flush, the BH2.4s is designed to accommodate the smaller carry versions of full frame firearms. It can also accommodate larger barrels...

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What do you call "bad" with this?

This is a Shield EZ in the newest 1791 holster I have. I wear a fairly wide leather belt so I need to make sure this gets clipped all of the way around, plus I wouldn't mind a bit more coverage on the body side. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with it.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

They do hold your gun securely while the holster and gun randomly come off your belt and go flying across the yard. So that's a plus?

 

[Koda]

What do you call "bad" with this?

This is a Shield EZ in the newest 1791 holster I have. I wear a fairly wide leather belt so I need to make sure this gets clipped all of the way around, plus I wouldn't mind a bit more coverage on the body side. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with it.

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I would call that one fine. Probably the bare minimum on the body side but should be good.

 

[orygun]

I would call that one fine. Probably the bare minimum on the body side but should be good.

I should have been more specific. My question was about the holster you posted, not the one I showed.

 

[Koda]

I should have been more specific. My question was about the holster you posted, not the one I showed.

The trigger guard area is not fully covered. Thats a huge gap, anything can get in there.