Those who dissent are terrorists now

[RBid]

I have 3 words for these people as the tide turns: Ben Gah Zee, Ben Gah Zee, Ben Gah Zee. I truly don't think they will be able to dodge this one. Anyone know off the top of their head how long it took from Woodward's and Bernstein's story till Millhouse resigned? Oh yeah, and no one died at H20Gate.

Brutus Out

Yyyeeeaaaahhhhh, but Nixon wasn't a superhero Robin Hood, championing the middle class. He never told the people to reject the voices saying that our government may one day become tyrannical. Plus, he's all about the kids. He's our buddy, bro. He's got our backs!

 

[tkdguy]

My theory is the current administration is deliberately trying to run the economy into the ground as an excuse to declare martial law and socialism, claiming "capitalism doesn't work."

Your theory may vary.

If you read Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicles, the teaching text of the great one when he was in Chicago, teaching community organization, Alinsky advocates exactly your theory and expands upon it. You are on the money!. With economic collapse, people will accept radially different social structures. It is that symple, and Alinsky illustrates that in his book. From what I recall Alinsky and the great one in DC along with that former female state department head, were best buds. In fact, Alinsky, in one way or another, did make a major contribution to her bachelor's thesis (it is available on line). It is scary to read that too.

When I was working on my degree in U. Wisconsin, the graduate social work students were taking courses in "Community Organization" at the time in the 1970's. I had no idea that was what they were studying! The graduate students were really good people, but that book in retrospect is hell on wheels.

Have no fear, your theory does have considerable empirical and policy support based on what has been happening in the last 5 years in DC as germinated by the boys on the top.

 

[jefe]

good thing the suspect only had a wasr rifle, instead of a real akm.

 

[Brutus57]

I am only 1/32 Native American but I always got a kick out of the old poster/t-shirt showing I think several Apaches or Comanches posed with Winchesters and it says: Fighting Terrorism Since 1492."



Brutus Out

 

[theminutemenrideagain]

So let me get this straight, this idiot has some bottles of fuel and some pipes in his house (very stupid and illegal) but is now declared a home grown terrorist that was probably going to kill everyone in his town with those molotovs according to the media,
But yet that government that "found out about this terrorist plot" which was done so unconstitutionally by means of the patriot act via wire taps and hacking emails and so on, will now be charging him with a terrorist attack that they will never tell you about and it never happened but yet under the NDAA act they will hold him without charge indefintely or dispose of him, either way its legal now because obama uses executive order/ dictatorship to get his bills passed,
That very same government that has warehouses full of VX gas (SARIN GAS) and enough of the garbage to kill EVERY living human and most animals and planet earth 2 times over, are charging this "terrorist" for crimes not yet commited?
And they have millions led to belive that they dont have to follow their very own rules because they need that sort of stuff and it keeps us all safe and nobody question's them but further they encourage it and stand aside with there faces pointed towards the ground?

Im not sure if you heard that sound but I think our forefathers just rolled in there grave's.

 

[Kevatc]

Mockery is a tool of the weak minded

The subject of the thread is serious but the introduction of Masons and Illuminati is tinfoil hatted conspiratorial nonsense at its best.

I am only 1/32 Native American but I always got a kick out of the old poster/t-shirt showing I think several Apaches or Comanches posed with Winchesters and it says: Fighting Terrorism Since 1492."



Brutus Out

Agreed and I am 100% wasichu.

either way its legal now because obama uses executive order/ dictatorship to get his bills passed,


That very same government that has warehouses full of VX gas (SARIN GAS) and enough of the garbage to kill EVERY living human and most animals and planet earth 2 times over, are charging this "terrorist" for crimes not yet commited?
And they have millions led to belive that they dont have to follow their very own rules because they need that sort of stuff and it keeps us all safe and nobody question's them but further they encourage it and stand aside with there faces pointed towards the ground?

First things first .... no matter how much you hate Obama we do not have a dictatership. I don't know if you've noticed but the Congress has done a pretty good job of not letting him have his way on lots of things not the least of which has been gun control. Secondly, no bill can be passed on an executive order. Executive orders can only apply to federal employees. If a POTUS was able to pass a bill on executive order then he would be in the company of folks like Bashar al-Asad, Saddam Hussein, or Kim Jong-un. Surely, you're not making that comparison are you?

Your references to the VX gas (and by logical extension to nuclear weapons) were developed to counter similar threats from the cold war days to protect our country. Nobody was condemning our government for doing what was expected of it back in the day to protect the nation. The weapons weren't developed for use on its own population. Now, if you said you advocated for these type of weapons reductions I would be absolutely 100% in agreement with you. There is a difference between a government developing technologies to protect itself versus a US citizen stockpiling things like Molotov's or pipe bomb's. The thing you seem to be ignoring is the person of debate was a felon. Comparing a felon to the government is something I am having a hard time understanding.

 

[dmancornell]

^

Protect the country with VX gas. LOL.

By the way, the modern state is based on the Weberian notion of monopoly of force, that makes all modern states dictatorships. Just because Syria, Iraq and NK are worse off doesn't change the fundamental fact that all political power derives from violence.

 

[Father of four]

Be weary when they begin to label the General Public as Domestic Terrorists. They didn't call the Native American population, The Indigenous People of America, the called them Hostiles!

The general public are especially demonized and attacked when they stand up for their rights. The people with money, power and control hate to loose what they have taken from the less fortunate people.

 

[theminutemenrideagain]

The subject of the thread is serious but the introduction of Masons and Illuminati is tinfoil hatted conspiratorial nonsense at its best.



Agreed and I am 100% wasichu.



First things first .... no matter how much you hate Obama we do not have a dictatership. I don't know if you've noticed but the Congress has done a pretty good job of not letting him have his way on lots of things not the least of which has been gun control. Secondly, no bill can be passed on an executive order. Executive orders can only apply to federal employees. If a POTUS was able to pass a bill on executive order then he would be in the company of folks like Bashar al-Asad, Saddam Hussein, or Kim Jong-un. Surely, you're not making that comparison are you?

Your references to the VX gas (and by logical extension to nuclear weapons) were developed to counter similar threats from the cold war days to protect our country. Nobody was condemning our government for doing what was expected of it back in the day to protect the nation. The weapons weren't developed for use on its own population. Now, if you said you advocated for these type of weapons reductions I would be absolutely 100% in agreement with you. There is a difference between a government developing technologies to protect itself versus a US citizen stockpiling things like Molotov's or pipe bomb's. The thing you seem to be ignoring is the person of debate was a felon. Comparing a felon to the government is something I am having a hard time understanding.

Throughout history the only time that VX was used was from its government on its own people weather on not on this country or another,and I didnt refrence it for that purpose
Now in my opinion a felon and our government have quite alot in common such as stealing out of my paycheck a little more and more every two weeks but they just live under double standards so its ok and its my duty to pay an unconstitutional income tax to a government that is taking my liberties away little by little every day they can,and it sounds to me like you are not aware of the NDAA which WAS passed under executive order and look it up, obama has passed more executive orders than any other president to date.
Now if you dont see the early form of a dictatorship just look at the warrentless searches at military gun point that took place not even a month ago in boston while they were looking for one 19 kid? yeah its easy to assume that it wont happen here but the writing is on the wall and the pieces are falling into place and just because you close your eyes, it doesnt make the truth go away,

We are walking right into it like sheep to there own slaughter my friends

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Yyyeeeaaaahhhhh, but Nixon wasn't a superhero Robin Hood, championing the middle class. He never told the people to reject the voices saying that our government may one day become tyrannical. Plus, he's all about the kids. He's our buddy, bro. He's got our backs!

He's got our backs all right, as long as we bend over!

 

[Blitzkrieg]

The subject of the thread is serious but the introduction of Masons and Illuminati is tinfoil hatted conspiratorial nonsense at its best.

Merely demonstrating your ignorance at a centuries old conspiracy unfolding before your eyes

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

Merely demonstrating your ignorance at a centuries old conspiracy unfolding before your eyes

What's odd is that this theory has been out there for centuries, and every time something bad happens it's the "Illuminati/Mason/Jew" cabal that caused it, and it's all part of "the plan."

Just like every time the centuries pass 1000 years, it's "the end of the world" or the planets align and the earth is going to tip over, and on and on.

Have more faith in your fellow man. We've been around this big blue ball for a long time, and will continue. Dictators come and go, but mankind keeps on keeping on.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

If you read Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicles, the teaching text of the great one when he was in Chicago, teaching community organization, Alinsky advocates exactly your theory and expands upon it. You are on the money!. With economic collapse, people will accept radially different social structures. It is that symple, and Alinsky illustrates that in his book. From what I recall Alinsky and the great one in DC along with that former female state department head, were best buds. In fact, Alinsky, in one way or another, did make a major contribution to her bachelor's thesis (it is available on line). It is scary to read that too.

When I was working on my degree in U. Wisconsin, the graduate social work students were taking courses in "Community Organization" at the time in the 1970's. I had no idea that was what they were studying! The graduate students were really good people, but that book in retrospect is hell on wheels.

Have no fear, your theory does have considerable empirical and policy support based on what has been happening in the last 5 years in DC as germinated by the boys on the top.

This time it's their Waterloo

 

[Blitzkrieg]

What's odd is that this theory has been out there for centuries, and every time something bad happens it's the "Illuminati/Mason/Jew" cabal that caused it, and it's all part of "the plan."

Just like every time the centuries pass 1000 years, it's "the end of the world" or the planets align and the earth is going to tip over, and on and on.

Have more faith in your fellow man. We've been around this big blue ball for a long time, and will continue. Dictators come and go, but mankind keeps on keeping on.

The plan began to bear fruit in the so-called French revolution.. the Talmudists took over French Freemasonry via their usury system, with the express purpose of destroying French aristocracy, who were anti Talmudist. Freemasonry was the secret society that organized the mobs. In the USA they came too power with the advent of the private banking scam called the Federal reserve, 1913. I am not saying this to convince you, you won't hear the truth, I say it to educate others who have intelligence and love of the truth

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

I find it really difficult to understand how reasonable, responsible human beings find it easier to believe in a convoluted, involved conspiracy than the truth, which is that humans are fallible.

Not that there haven't been groups in history that have subverted followers to their view (look at Jonestown) but really...come on, does it really make sense that a group of people who have been hounded, abused, murdered, robbed and forcibly converted are behind every evil in the world?

 

[Kevinkris]

A guy named Buford living in a trailer had guns and pipe bombs. Did they check the neighboring trailers to see if that was unusual?

comes from the article's comments, couldnt help but bust out laughing when i saw this. if youve ever lived in a trailer park, you would know that everything that person did leading up to the events were completely ordinary for trailer park life.

 

[Burt Gummer]

Christian Pastor?s Home Raided ? Guns Taken : Freedom Outpost

 

[dusty]

it is the Cloward-Piven strategy.........

 

[chariot13]

Dissent? the guys a freaking criminal committing more crimes making bombs and incendiary devices And you think this is about his flag upside down. Looks to me like they caught a very bad dude before he did more bad stuff.

I can count the losers on one hand in this thread & I still have a finger left. Guess what finger I saved for you guys. Nope, not that one.

 

[deen_ad]

Last year we were just prejudiced, then racist, then dissidents, now we're all NRA terrorists. Does that cover it?


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