Tesla Cyber"truck" flawed logic

[monkeybutler]

As others mentioned the truck is NOT the problem, nor is the guy who came out with it.

No sympathy for the idiot upset he is losing his shirt on one, but…

Elon clearly overestimated the potential market for his Dorkatron. It's a laughable failure. Like his attempts to seem like cool guy techbrodude.

 

[RVTECH]

Elon clearly overestimated the potential market for his Dorkatron. It's a laughable failure. Like his attempts to seem like cool guy techbrodude.

No disagreement with this but I believe the bigger issue lies in your first part:

No sympathy for the idiot upset he is losing his shirt on one, but…

Kinda almost like How I see it when I see people buy ANYTHING overpriced and unnecessary - like those who I have seen pay ridicules scalper prices for ammo and components over the last several shortages - and REALLY didn't need it.

 

[Ducati_Meister]

Massive?
Have you stood next to one? I thought it looked a lot smaller than I expected.

Joe

I'm 5' 6" 116lbs, so it looked big to me. (Insert innuendo here) lol.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Hummer you say?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CyberStuck/comments/1i5f2pv/the_hummer_showed_no_mercy

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/CyberStuck/comments/1i5f2pv/the_hummer_showed_no_mercy/

 

[kmk1012]

I'm 5' 6" 116lbs, so it looked big to me. (Insert innuendo here) lol.

I could but won't out of respect, though I have teenage kids bigger than that with healthy BMI's.

 

[Capn Jack]

Those things are, "BUTT UGLY" !

They look like something out of a high school sheet metal shop.

 

[Member 53867]

The Cybertruck looks to me like Elon Musk took a child's sh!tty crayon drawing of what they thought a truck should look like off of someone's refrigerator and used it as a blueprint.

If I had a lot of money to spend on a cool truck, I'd get something like this: 1936 REO Speedwagon Pickup, 1 of 6 known to exist. A thing of beauty!

 

[Mikej]

So I get it now. EV ownership is ONLY part of a political way of thinking - NOT anything environmental at all.

As long as they THINK the Mfg. OF the EV is liberal, dem etc. its OK to own one but discover the Mfg. might be conservative and now its NOT acceptable to own one - regardless of how you think or believe?

Man, talk about 'indoctrinated' , 'drinking the kool aid' etc. It's worse than I ever imagined.

I've always looked at it that way. Every time I hear the "Bell" peal kind of sound coming down our street I think about how woke these people are and how much they love giving the children in China those jobs working the lithium mines.

 

[Stomper]

Classic example of how heads of commercial businesses should keep their traps shut and stick to selling product.

When Henry Ford went on his anti-Semitic binge, he lost not a few Jewish customers. I had a Jewish neighbor who wouldn't touch a Ford product, decades later. The word gets around.

Sanctions and boycotts against tyrannical nations and regimes, I can get behind. But selling retail, I never let my personal prejudices and politics get in the way of money.

Pretty much the same for me. Jeff Bezos can eat a HUGE bag of blue wieners, but I absolutely love the services that I get through Amazon, and use it quite frequently. It saves me time (which is the biggest premium for me), I'm not having to go out "shopping", or deal with dummies everywhere, and the prices are (usually) competitive.

IMO, EV's are excellent for inner city and suburban use for "stop & go" traffic, but for long-haul trips and "non urban" uses ICE vehicles are still king (and still my personal preference).

If anyone thinks EV's are over priced, remember that they're a HUGE Li battery pack on wheels.... check the price of Li cordless tool batteries and you'll see a major cost component of EV's.

 

[MymuttBear]

I am not going to say he is a 'fool' but a friend of mine is having some problems with his relatively late model 5th wheel trailer I am helping him with.

Over a few brewskis the other day I 'suggested' to him he might want to consider selling it and if still in need of (or still interested) in an RV to get something smaller and more practical.

He told me probably would consider this but that he was '$25K upside down with it'.

When I was in tech training in the military a lot of young guys (I joined up relatively late in life) went out and bought pricey vehicles.
For a lot of them it was their first reliable paycheck, and employment.

The vehicle, which was probably on their wish list for years, was generally financed by loans obtained through providers that were allowed to operate on base, and always financed through loans with high interest rates.

Fast forward a couple of years and a lot of them could see how much the car was now worth and what they still owed, except now they were in a relationship and wanted to buy a home.

Options became sell it for what you could get for it and eat the loss or keep it and just keep paying off a depreciating "asset". Funny how a few of them were unlucky? and had their vehicles stolen, and burnt...

 

[Member 53867]

I'll take Hybrids over EVs, thank you.

My ICE Toyota Tacoma got 20-ish MPG.
My ICE Honda Goldwing got 35-ish MPG.

My Hyundai Sonata Hybrid weighs 3x as much as my motorcycle, is warm, dry, and comfortable, has a higher top speed, gets 50-ish MPG, and I don't have to plug it into a charging station.

What's not to like?

 

[RVTECH]

IMO, EV's are excellent for inner city and suburban use for "stop & go" traffic,

In all fairness however I AGREE with this and have espoused the same - even to anti - EV repubs and I think most do agree.

My only addition to this along with the above is Non - primary, secondary use only at about half or maybe 3/4 of it's full charge range so as to never get stranded,.

 

[Alexx1401]

I'll take Hybrids over EVs, thank you.

My ICE Toyota Tacoma got 20-ish MPG.
My ICE Honda Goldwing got 35-ish MPG.

My Hyundai Sonata Hybrid weighs 3x as much as my motorcycle, is warm, dry, and comfortable, has a higher top speed, gets 50-ish MPG, and I don't have to plug it into a charging station.

What's not to like?

That tech seems to be FAR better, at least so far and seems to make FAR more sense. Some of the EV's "could" be great for people who live in urban area's where trips are short. Especially if they can charge them free at places they shop and such. As the battery tech keeps moving forward they should get even better. The one party who was pushing these so hard were not doing themselves any favors. Trying to pretend the electricity just comes out of the wires magically. That does not mean the idea does not work well for some places.

 

[Koda]

The one party who was pushing these so hard were not doing themselves any favors. Trying to pretend the electricity just comes out of the wires magically.

The big deception behind EVs is emissions.
What comes out of the tailpipe is a fraction of the total lifecycle carbon footprint of an EV vehicle.
The Dems push EVs because its an easy feel good environmental topic to get votes under the guise of doing something to prevent global warming.

 

[Alexx1401]

The big deception behind EVs is emissions.
What comes out of the tailpipe is a fraction of the total lifecycle carbon footprint of an EV vehicle.
The Dems push EVs because its an easy feel good environmental topic to get votes under the guise of doing something to prevent global warming.

YEP, that power has to be made and worse is those batteries. Both in how they are made and how they are disposed of once done. I am sure they will find some better way to do both but, right now it is not pretty.

 

[gmerkt]

check the price of Li cordless tool batteries

And AA lithium batteries

 

[RVTECH]

The big deception behind EVs is emissions.
What comes out of the tailpipe is a fraction of the total lifecycle carbon footprint of an EV vehicle.
The Dems push EVs because its an easy feel good environmental topic to get votes under the guise of doing something to prevent global warming.

AND because MOST of them are not smart enough, intelligent enough or simply too pig headed to even BEGIN to understand even the most basic concepts of energy, and with that I can't even begin to count how many times I have quoted Einstien to these types:

'Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another'

But with many I get the 'Doe in the headlight look' OR the BEST response, ' Oh this is WRONG! The sun is a never ending source of energy' - yet they fail to accept the reality of all that it takes to 'change' the energy from the sun to 'form' of which it can be used.

 

[Koda]

AND because MOST of them are not smart enough, intelligent enough or simply too pig headed to even BEGIN to understand even the most basic concepts of energy, and with that I can't even begin to count how many times I have quoted Einstien to these types:

'Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another'

But with many I get the 'Doe in the headlight look' OR the BEST response, ' Oh this is WRONG! The sun is a never ending source of energy' - yet they fail to accept the reality of all that it takes to 'change' the energy from the sun to 'form' of which it can be used.

Exactly.
Im no scientist but it seems logical the most "green" energy source is the one thats the easiest to produce. Right now thats fossil fuels, gas for vehicles and coal for electricity if I understand correctly?

 

[RVTECH]

Right now thats fossil fuels, gas for vehicles and coal for electricity if I understand correctly?

I would agree however I am going to deviate a bit from what you said IE 'fossil fuels'.

I FIRMLY disagree with the 'fossil fuel' concept.

I believe oil is somehow produced 'Way on down' in the bowels of the earth and is inexhaustible.

There simply were not enough 'fossils' to produce oil in the amounts we have been using it for the last say, 150 years.

Ever look at one of those pics from way up high that shows the zillions of cars all over the earth bumper to bumper and wonder about it?

Well if you figure the oil used just for the gas for cars (and not ALL the other uses) we would have used it up LONG ago.

But this is just my opinion with no factual evidence.

 

[RVTECH]

And AA lithium batteries

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