Taming Heavy Recoiling Firearms?

[arakboss]

Maybe get one like this and drill though the forearm before you add the shoot, put the nuts inside and the Rockite will make sure they don't come loose

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Very good plan.

 

[arakboss]

Long but good discussion on loading for reduced recoil.

View: https://youtu.be/RLGyIg49Z0I?feature=shared

 

[arakboss]

Long but good discussion on loading for reduced recoil.

View: https://youtu.be/RLGyIg49Z0I?feature=shared

One thing I learned from this video is the weight of the charge contributes to felt recoil.

Let's say you are running the same weight bullet at the same velocity but one recipe only requires a 20gr charge of powder and the other recipe requires a 30gr charge. The 20gr charge load should have less felt recoil.

This means my magpro loads may not feel as light as I hoped for?

 

[orygun]

One thing I learned from this video is the weight of the charge contributes to felt recoil.

Let's say you are running the same weight bullet at the same velocity but one recipe only requires a 20gr charge of powder and the other recipe requires a 30gr charge. The 20gr charge load should have less felt recoil.

This means my magpro loads may not feel as light as I hoped for?

Recoil force does indeed include "ejecta", which is the powder. It is part of the equation, but a small part. Two loads with the same bullet travelling at the same speed when leaving the muzzle, but pushed to that speed by widely differing charge weights, will be nearly indistinguishable in recoil. You'll have much more luck in reducing your recoil by lightening up the bullet, or making the rifle weight 15 lbs.

 

[arakboss]

I mean, I added extra weight to mine. May have to drill a hole so I can use my scope. Or maybe I'll just use tracer rounds

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@BMGMAN inspired this idea.

Before adding filler to the forearm of my stock, I am going to bubba-ize it with a mounting point for some weight plates.

Here is the plan. I am going to drill a hole through the forearm of the stock. I will run a 5/8" diameter bolt through the hole and secure it with two or three nuts on the bottom exterior side of forearm. I will use a bolt around 3" in length. That will provide enough space to add two 5lb plates.

The plates will slide over the securing nuts. To secure the plates to the bolt, during shooting session I will use a heavy washer and nut.

Three potential downsides are:

1. The weight of the plates pulling down on the stock and causing interference with barrel to stock fit?

2. I will have to remove some internal ribbing on the forearm to make room for 5/8 bolt.

3. People at the range may point, laugh and say, "Buy a smaller gun, loser"

I will be making a trip to the hardware store today and hopefully find the right hardware for cheap.

The head of the bolt will need some massaging on the bench grinder to fit tight in forearm cavity. It may be next week before I can prove this idea out.

If it works, I should be able to add anywhere between 3 to 10+ pounds to the rifle.

I may also be able to use the 5/8 bolt as an anchor point for bipod preloading experiments.





5/8 bolt would go in cavity marked with X.

 

[Camelfilter]

 

[arakboss]

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I blame it on this guy.

 

[Elf]

These were only mentioned briefly, but you can use the PAST recoil pad to reduce the impact on the shooter rather than trying to reduce the recoil of the rifle: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002531259?pid=699899

 

[arakboss]

These were only mentioned briefly, but you can use the PAST recoil pad to reduce the impact on the shooter rather than trying to reduce the recoil of the rifle: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002531259?pid=699899

I picked up the super magnum pad for my heavy days. I will be utilizing it.

 

[arakboss]

@BMGMAN inspired this idea.

Before adding filler to the forearm of my stock, I am going to bubba-ize it with a mounting point for some weight plates.

Here is the plan. I am going to drill a hole through the forearm of the stock. I will run a 5/8" diameter bolt through the hole and secure it with two or three nuts on the bottom exterior side of forearm. I will use a bolt around 3" in length. That will provide enough space to add two 5lb plates.

The plates will slide over the securing nuts. To secure the plates to the bolt, during shooting session I will use a heavy washer and nut.

Three potential downsides are:

1. The weight of the plates pulling down on the stock and causing interference with barrel to stock fit?

2. I will have to remove some internal ribbing on the forearm to make room for 5/8 bolt.

3. People at the range may point, laugh and say, "Buy a smaller gun, loser"

I will be making a trip to the hardware store today and hopefully find the right hardware for cheap.

The head of the bolt will need some massaging on the bench grinder to fit tight in forearm cavity. It may be next week before I can prove this idea out.

If it works, I should be able to add anywhere between 3 to 10+ pounds to the rifle.

I may also be able to use the 5/8 bolt as an anchor point for bipod preloading experiments.


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5/8 bolt would go in cavity marked with X.


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Time to make some magic happen.

$9.50 worth of hardware.



I went with 1/2" hardware. It was cheaper and the largest wing nut they had was 1/2". That will make it easier to move the weights on and off the stud.

I hope I can thread a 1/2" bolt through a 3/8" hole. Otherwise I will have more digging to do for a larger bit.

 

[arakboss]

Time to make some magic happen.

$9.50 worth of hardware.

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I went with 1/2" hardware. It was cheaper and the largest wing nut they had was 1/2". That will make it easier to move the weights on and off the stud.

I hope I can thread a 1/2" bolt through a 3/8" hole. Otherwise I will have more digging to do for a larger bit.

Point of no return. Thanks to Ryobi and Dremel.

 

[arakboss]

Point of no return. Thanks to Ryobi and Dremel.


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Done!

I need one more large washer to place between the wing nut and the weight plates. I am also going to search for some tubing that will tighten up the fit between the weight plate holes and the nuts. 3/4" hardware would have eliminated that slop but this will function fine.

This will give me a 23+ pound rifle for next range trip. Bring on the full house rounds.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Sooooo......
You added a heavy weight to a stock that was not designed for such things.
You don't suppose that will bend or ruin the stock.....?

I know you like to do things on the cheap....
But damn man....wrecking something to "make it work"....
Don't seem too wise.

Good luck...and I hope this works for you.
Andy

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

"You don't suppose that will bend or ruin the stock.....?"

My monies on the bolt ripping clean out in the first 20 rounds, unless it snaps right where it goes into the weight first

 

[64MercurysRule]

I'd rather have 1 quality setup than 10 cheap budget rifles. But that's just me.

Also the same system when it comes to wifes ...........

 

[arakboss]

"You don't suppose that will bend or ruin the stock.....?"

My monies on the bolt ripping clean out in the first 20 rounds, unless it snaps right where it goes into the weight first

I better start with the sissy rounds first.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

"You don't suppose that will bend or ruin the stock.....?"

My monies on the bolt ripping clean out in the first 20 rounds, unless it snaps right where it goes into the weight first

Well...that would be the "ruin the stock" part of my quote.
Andy

 

[Tlock]

Well...that would be the "ruin the stock" part of my quote.
Andy

The up side to this is hes not doing this with a classic......I couldn't watch if this was a pre 64 model 70, or anything in nice wood

 

[Andy54Hawken]

The up side to this is hes not doing this with a classic......I couldn't watch if this was a pre 64 model 70, or anything in nice wood

True...and whew.

That said...
Taking a hunting rifle and trying to make it into something that it ain't....
Just doesn't seem like a useful task.

If it was me...
I would have sold those rifles...and bought a bench rest rifle...and maybe even a scope and ammo...
Rather than trash one rifle in the hopes of making it do something it wasn't designed to do.

At the end of the day however...it don't matter none...it ain't me...or my rifles.
Andy

 

[Tlock]

True...and whew.

That said...
Taking a hunting rifle and trying to make it into something that it ain't....
Just doesn't seem like a useful task.

If it was me...
I would have sold those rifles...and bought a bench rest rifle...and maybe even a scope and ammo...
Rather than trash one rifle in the hopes of making it do something it wasn't designed to do.

At the end of the day however...it don't matter none...it ain't me...or my rifles.
Andy

I had a friend show up with his grandads pre 64 Winchester 94 all kitted out with mag pull furniture and other new age mods. I almost threw up....I think he pitched the original wood stock too