Survival: So Simple it's Profound

[11Charlie]

OK now that would be a whole other level of prepping. Even on a hill you could be with out support or infrastructure for years. That's basically get out of town stuff.

I mean 1,720 feet tall holy bubblegum!!

 

[Libertas7]

At that point I think I want Iron Man's suit.

 

[Koda]

It wasnt 1720' tall... It was huge, but splashed up the sides on the terrain to that elevation because of the direction it was funneled, and it wasnt caused by an earthquake.
Not a good comparison....

 

[11Charlie]

It wasnt 1720' tall... It was huge, but splashed up the sides on the terrain to that elevation because of the direction it was funneled, and it wasnt caused by an earthquake.
Not a good comparison....

Oh thank the good lord above!! I was actually going to research that tonight.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Oh thank the good lord above!! I was actually going to research that tonight.

Something kinda like it around Portugal(?), aimed at the eastern seaboard but waay bigger.. they say when it falls into the ocean, there will be no eastern seaboard.
It will be a very, very large tsunami that will cross the whole Atlantic before hitting the US.

 

[John Lynn]

The landscape could change drastically, in the 1800's an earthquake was powerful enough to change the course of the mighty Mississippi on the border of Missouri.

 

[Vendor Hidden]

What about the one that's gonna make California disappear? THAT's the one I'm hoping for.

 

[Blindranger]

It's from 2013, so its potentially a little dated, but this Cascadia Region Earthquake Workgroup report is worth the read.

 

[BlackRyder]

I was doing some google searching to find info about the 1700 quake and stumbled across this old article from outside magazine- it's probably been linked here before but here it is for those of you who haven't seen it- I found it to be an entertaining read.
Quakenami! Why the Pacific Northwest Is Doomed

Anyway, this is all hearsay, but my friend who is a long time grays harbor county resident was telling me about how the native tribes of that region warned settlers against making their homes on the coast there (from Westport southward) because of bad juju- maybe something to do with the quake that caused the entire southern Washington coastline to suddenly drop 6 feet? I've also heard that pre-1700 quake the Washington coastline was rocky and cliff-strewn (like it is from about cape Elizabeth northward) the whole length of the coast, until the quake sank it and turned the southern half into a giant salt marsh. I'm not sure how true that is but it could explain the drastic difference in geography between north and south. Once again, this is just hearsay and conjecture but it is interesting to think about.

 

[Koda]

If anyone wants to see first hand the damage effects of the last Cascadia quake go walk on the beach at Neskowin Oregon and head to the southern end at Proposal Rock. Preferrably at low tide you will walk amongst tree stumps protruding from the sands that entire stand of forest literally slid into the ocean then covered in mud and debris from the tsunami that followed killing the standing trees.

Ive been there, pretty cool to see in person....

Neskowin Ghost Forest - Wikipedia


Of course... If you feel the ground shaking you might wanna run real fast....

 

[BlackRyder]

This one too!
Exploring the Ghost Forest of Copalis - GraysHarborTalk

 

[11Charlie]

If anyone wants to see first hand the damage effects of the last Cascadia quake go walk on the beach at Neskowin Oregon and head to the southern end at Proposal Rock. Preferrably at low tide you will walk amongst tree stumps protruding from the sands that entire stand of forest literally slid into the ocean then covered in mud and debris from the tsunami that followed killing the standing trees.

Ive been there, pretty cool to see in person....

Neskowin Ghost Forest - Wikipedia


Of course... If you feel the ground shaking you might wanna run real fast....

Thats crazy and a eye opener.

 

[Koda]

Thanks, I wanted to show that pic but posting from my phone ....

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I was doing some google searching to find info about the 1700 quake and stumbled across this old article from outside magazine- it's probably been linked here before but here it is for those of you who haven't seen it- I found it to be an entertaining read.
Quakenami! Why the Pacific Northwest Is Doomed

Anyway, this is all hearsay, but my friend who is a long time grays harbor county resident was telling me about how the native tribes of that region warned settlers against making their homes on the coast there (from Westport southward) because of bad juju- maybe something to do with the quake that caused the entire southern Washington coastline to suddenly drop 6 feet? I've also heard that pre-1700 quake the Washington coastline was rocky and cliff-strewn (like it is from about cape Elizabeth northward) the whole length of the coast, until the quake sank it and turned the southern half into a giant salt marsh. I'm not sure how true that is but it could explain the drastic difference in geography between north and south. Once again, this is just hearsay and conjecture but it is interesting to think about.

History nerd alert!

The "Bad juju" you mentioned ... was noted in the logs of the Columbia during her voyages along the northwest coast from 1787-90 & 1790-1793.
Kinda neat to know that story has been kicking around for a long while...
Andy

 

[PaulB47]

Keep in mind that other than not prepping, these are otherwise good people.

Interesting proviso. Unfortunately you cannot simply ignore the fact they did not prep. They are good people only until the quake hits.

One way to look at a policy, is to see what things would look like if everybody did it. If everybody prepped, life would still be difficult but not impossible. If everybody did not prep? Complete disaster. Prepping is the point. It's a matter of personal responsibility. "Good people" have it.

 

[Koda]

Interesting proviso. Unfortunately you cannot simply ignore the fact they did not prep. They are good people only until the quake hits.

One way to look at a policy, is to see what things would look like if everybody did it. If everybody prepped, life would still be difficult but not impossible. If everybody did not prep? Complete disaster. Prepping is the point. It's a matter of personal responsibility. "Good people" have it.

The problem is you dont know their story, and you dont want to be a hypocrit...

Maybe they prepped, but their home was destroyed. Maybe he didnt make it accross town in time to stop the looting of his place...

And how long can you survive befor your preps run out... 6mo.. A year? When its your turn to beg, hopefully somebody will understand.

 

[The Heretic]

Well, now you've opened the really big can of worms. If we get to TEOTWAWKI, those choices will have to be made.

I've already made those choices. Most people have, they just don't realize it, and many are simply in downright denial, but made the choices anyway.

Many people have made the choice of their lifestyle (new car, nice home, etc.) over helping others in any significant way already, not to mention helping others in a much more dire SHTF situation; they chose/choose they comforts over other people's survival - how much more are they going to choose their family when it comes down to survival?

But they make loud proclamations about how they would help others nonetheless.

I've made my choices and I know who/what I would choose. I take my responsibilities very seriously, and those responsibilities are to my family - specifically my child. I brought her into this world, and for as long as I am able, I will do what I can to see that she survives as long as she can. That is a lifelong commitment.

I have helped others. I spent 4 years of my early adult life in the USCG risking my life, at minimal pay, to save and protect the lives and property of others. Generally I help others in need, when I am able and it doesn't impact the needs of my family.

Right now, that isn't possible - besides the temporary health emergency in my family, there is also a temporary employment situation, and then there is a long term health situation. So now (for some time now), and for the rest of my life, I have to put my family first - take care of their immediate and future needs while I can, and that generally will not include helping others that find themselves a SHTF situation. Every bit of help I give others, is less help I give to my family.

Even Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, with all their billions (both current and future), realize that they can't help everybody, so they prioritize who, how, where and when they help, trying to have the most impact for every dollar they spend.

You can't save everyone. Sometimes you can't save even one person because they destroy themselves - I know that from experience. So I try to do my best for the people that matter the most to me, and even that may not be enough.

If it was just me, then that would be a different situation - but what parent would take food from the mouth of their own hungry child and give it to someone else??

 

[Xaevian]

There is no direct relationship between earthquake magnitude and tsunamis. Tsunamis are the result of massive water displacement and don't need an earthquake to form. Earthquakes also don't always displace significant land to cause one. As a matter of fact, most Earthquakes don't create tsunamis or else they would be a constant presence as the there are hundreds of undersea quakes each year, and a few that are mag 5 or more.

 

[The Heretic]

The problem is you dont know their story, and you dont want to be a hypocrit...

Maybe they prepped, but their home was destroyed. Maybe he didnt make it accross town in time to stop the looting of his place...

And how long can you survive befor your preps run out... 6mo.. A year? When its your turn to beg, hopefully somebody will understand.

Stuff happens - to good, mediocre and bad people.

I don't hold other people responsible for what happens to me if they did not cause it to happen. I don't accept responsibility for what happens to others that I did not cause, I do accept responsibility for those things I did cause, and I try hard not to cause problems for other people.

As I said, I take responsibility seriously. If something bad happens to me or mine, then I try to be prepared for it. Yes, something may happen beyond my capability to respond to it - things have happened - you can't prepare for everything, sometimes not even partially.

Stuff happens and you try to do your best.

Would I accept help? I sure would. Would I ask for help? To a point, yes. Would I demand help of an innocent bystander? No. But it seems that a lot of people today have a warped sense of responsibility; they do not accept responsibility for themselves and demand it of others.

 

[Howard1955]

Stuff happens - to good, mediocre and bad people.

I don't hold other people responsible for what happens to me if they did not cause it to happen. I don't accept responsibility for what happens to others that I did not cause, I do accept responsibility for those things I did cause, and I try hard not to cause problems for other people.

As I said, I take responsibility seriously. If something bad happens to me or mine, then I try to be prepared for it. Yes, something may happen beyond my capability to respond to it - things have happened - you can't prepare for everything, sometimes not even partially.

Stuff happens and you try to do your best.

Would I accept help? I sure would. Would I ask for help? To a point, yes. Would I demand help of an innocent bystander? No. But it seems that a lot of people today have a warped sense of responsibility; they do not accept responsibility for themselves and demand it of others.

Regarding personal responsibility versus making demands on others: