Straight pull bolt action ar

[Andy54Hawken]

Lord no!

The seasons are concurrent.

I think this is a curse of knowledge problem.

I forgot not everyone knows cougar season in Oregon runs 1/1 thru 12/31, there are no season dates on coyotes and fall bear runs 8/1 thru 12/31.

I don't violate game laws. I know, and follow them very, very well.

I forget not everyone is like me.

Some other things I don't do:

Call the cops if I hear someone bought an AR because they must be planning a mass shooting or think the reason people buy concealable handguns is to rob liquor stores.

I see...however that still does not answer my questions...please read my post again.

And...if I misread / misunderstand .....it was not on purpose.
Andy

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Why do you need a bolt action AR pistol if you already have a centerfire rifle with you while hunting deer or elk? I can understand having a handgun on your person, but the necessity for a bolt action AR pistol is puzzling the crap outta me.

 

[1775usmc]

Why do you need a bolt action AR pistol if you already have a centerfire rifle with you while hunting deer or elk? I can understand having a handgun on your person, but the necessity for a bolt action AR pistol is puzzling the crap outta me.

At this point I have no idea. lol.

Post #18 states that because it's a pistol he doesn't have to follow mag limits. Maybe that's where the hang up is?

 

[NeoBlackdog]

At this point I have no idea. lol.

Post #18 states that because it's a pistol he doesn't have to follow mag limits. Maybe that's where the hang up is?

But if he's 'punching' a hole in a cougar/bear/coyote it shouldn't take more than one shot anyway!

 

[Deavis]

Why do you need a bolt action AR pistol if you already have a centerfire rifle with you while hunting deer or elk? I can understand having a handgun on your person, but the necessity for a bolt action AR pistol is puzzling the crap outta me.

I am specifically NOT hunting deer and elk in those units at that time. Does that help?

 

[Deavis]

This reads as if you plan on shooting animals out of season.
If so...then that is illegal....is that your intention here....?
Andy

Edit to add...
My concern / confusion here :
You are hunting deer or elk.....you come across a coyote /bear / cougar...
You are hunting deer / elk with a center fire rifle....
You want this AR type fire to shoot a coyote / bear / cougar because it it a considered a handgun ...and it is illegal to hunt those animals with a center fire rifle at this time. / point in the hunting season...

If I have that all correct...
My questions then are...
Is it legal to hunt / shoot those animals ( coyote . bear , cougar ) at that time( deer or elk season ) with a handgun...?
Are those animals ( coyote , bear , cougar ) still in season...?

Yes you can with a gun thats not a centerfire rifle and yes they are in season concurrently (meaning at the same time)

 

[NeoBlackdog]

I am specifically NOT hunting deer and elk in those units at that time. Does that help?

So you're basically using a loophole in the law. Okay.

 

[orygun]

So you're basically using a loophole in the law. Okay.

I looked, I don't know if you would call it a loophole, but the magazine restriction of no more than 10 rounds applies to "semi automatic rifles". Says nothing about about handgun magazine capacity.
I've thought about using my AR when it was a braced pistol as a treestand gun, but I didn't have a 5 round mag for it. Now I see that before it became an SBR, it would have been legal. Hmmm.

 

[TTSX]

We'll just have to wait for the one with knowledge nobody else has to chime in, I guess

 

[NeoBlackdog]

I looked, I don't know if you would call it a loophole, but the magazine restriction of no more than 10 rounds applies to "semi automatic rifles". Says nothing about about handgun magazine capacity.
I've thought about using my AR when it was a braced pistol as a treestand gun, but I didn't have a 5 round mag for it. Now I see that before it became an SBR, it would have been legal. Hmmm.

I don't know that magazine capacity even figures into it at this point. I'm hearing 'I want the ability to carry a rifle cartridge in a pistol platform so I can legally hunt cougars, bears, and coyotes during a season when I am prohibited from carrying a centerfire rifle'.
.223 may be on the small size for bears...

 

[Deavis]

So you're basically using a loophole in the law. Okay.

Another way to say this:

I am following the law.

 

[1775usmc]

ok so what I am reading -

Hunting with rifle that's designated as a pistol during a season I can't hunt with a rifle.

And it's all legal because "technically" it's a pistol with a brace shooting a centerfire rifle cartridge. The deciding factor is the designation of the platform which is "technically" a pistol.

So it's simply a loop hole. Just like the brace was/is a loophole to avoid filing for a legal SBR.

Got it.

 

[orygun]

I don't know that magazine capacity even figures into it at this point. I'm hearing 'I want the ability to carry a rifle cartridge in a pistol platform so I can legally hunt cougars, bears, and coyotes during a season when I am prohibited from carrying a centerfire rifle'.
.223 may be on the small size for bears...

During the deer and elk seasons, carrying a rifle is a no-no. @Deavis 's pic shows that. It's a similar restriction to the magazine limit.
Now, I don't think I'd like to have a conversation with a game warden if I was carrying a pistol as shown in post #18 during deer or elk season. We know who is technically correct, but I wouldn't want to need to take the time to prove myself innocent. At the least, I'd want something either brace less or at minimum, a folding brace if I wanted to be able to use the "not a rifle defense" with a warden.

 

[orygun]

So it's simply a loop hole. Just like the brace was/is a loophole to avoid filing for a legal SBR.

Got it.

Absolutely, but unlike the "gun show loophole", it's for real!

 

[1775usmc]

Absolutely, but unlike the "gun show loophole", it's for real!

Yea I wouldn't want to be the first one to play though.

"It's a .300WM AR pistol with a brace. I thought that it would be legal cause it's a "pistol" and the paperwork's says I just can't have a rifle." But hey maybe everything would be good to go. I won't be the one to find out.

 

[TTSX]

Yea I wouldn't want to be the first one to play though.

"It's a .300WM AR pistol with a brace. I thought that it would be legal cause it's a pistol." But hey maybe everything would be good to go. I won't be the one to find out.

It's only got a 20" barrel officer, not the optimum 22" so it's really just pistol power level, anyway

Because everyone wraps braces around their arms, right?..... Right?

 

[msgriff]

If the intent is a manually operated using an AR-15 lower, I'd go with a forward charger like this:


Next choice for me would be a left or dual charger:


If you're just going to use a conventional rear charging handle, I'd keep a BCG retraction tool handy and carry a spare 7075 charging handle.

 

[Deavis]

I was using a Contender….

Purchased as a pistol (or at least the way TC manufactured it and the way it was listed on my 4473 when transferred to me)

It has a less than 16" barrel.

I had a folding brace on it using it in the posted fashion, but then registered it as an sbr.

Despite arguably being still a pistol (but because it is an sb…..R with a real stock) I built the solo folding brace pistol depicted to avoid the potential issue.

Of note, the solo will take any AR barrel, so a number of calibers are available.

Of additional note, I know game troops, many of them. I seek them out. If I see them in the field I flag them down. I chat them up at the State fair, I talk with them at community meetings.They are a great source of intel. For the I wouldn't want to run this up the flag pole types, I wouldn't either, but I have fleshed this out already.
Every…. Single…. One….. agrees that my 8" folding brace pistol does not meet the definition of center fire rifle under ORS/ODFW regs.

As a pistol I am not limited to mag capacity regardless of action type. I run the straight pull and not a semi auto for one reason: weight. I could use a semi with a drum mag legally. I dont.

A lot of people think "large" capacity mags allow you to shoot more. Pretty common rookie thinking mistake. The magazine capacity allows you to manipulate less.

If Andy carries 10 lead balls into the field with his muzzle loader and I have ten rounds in my straight pull who can shoot more?

What weighs more? A pound of lead or a pound of feathers?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

If Andy carries 10 lead balls into the field with his muzzle loader and I have ten rounds in my straight pull who can shoot more?

Easy....

Depends on how many shots we take.
If you shoot 5 times...and I shoot 3 times...then you shoot more.
If I shoot 7 times...and you shoot 4 times...then I shoot more.
If...We both shoot twice..then no one shoots more than the other.
Andy

Edit to add...
Did you mean faster instead of more....?


If so....again easy.

I can shoot , reload and shoot again fairly fast...faster than what many folks expect.
Of course a breech loading , repeating firearm will shoot faster then a single shot muzzle loader.
However...
I have not have had the need to take a second shot on any of the game that I have taken with my Hawken Rifle.

Game taken with my Hawken RIfle :
Grouse
Coyote
Antelope
Deer
Elk
Black Bear

Not to say that I haven't missed a shot at a game animal....as a general rule I don't take a second shot if I miss...
Even with a repeating firearm when hunting.
Again...just a me thing...not that anyone else has to do the same..
So fast shooting or the ability to shoot fast...doesn't come into play with how I hunt...others of course hunt differently.

As far as a pound feathers versus a pound of lead weighing more..
Well...yes both weigh a pound.
However....Try carrying a pound of lead in one hand versus a pound of feathers in one hand.....
That is something to take into consideration when comparing the two.

 

[Nosferatu]

Easy....
Depends on how many shots we take.
If you shoot 5 times...and I shoot 3 times...then you shoot more.
If I shoot 7 times...and you shoot 4 times...then I shoot more.
If...We both shoot twice..then no one shoots more that the other.
Andy

So if an eastbound train leave kombuchaville at 1:00pm and a northbound train leaves texarcana at 4:00am, how long does it take to boil 45.7 grams of water at 458' above the treeline?