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Silencer use bill (1016) will get committee hearing.

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by Ranb, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I just got off the phone with Representative Pedersen's aide. She says that bill 1016 will get a hearing in committee. This is farther than any silencer bill has gone before; the rest died without a hearing.

    The hearing has not been scheduled yet; the session starts on 1/10/2011. The committee schedules should be out by next week some time. I plan on attending as long as it is takes place next week. I will be out of the state working from January 18 till the end of the month.

    Unless there are other gun control bills scheduled for a hearing, it is not likely that 200 plus people will show up to observe or testify at the hearing as I saw a few years ago. If you plan on going, get there at least an hour before it is scheduled to start and sign up. Those that sign up are asked if they are pro or con on the bills being heard. Those that want to speak to the committee indicate so. From what I understand, it is first come first serve for those who want to speak. People get about 5 minutes to present their views. The last time I went to a Senate hearing on gun control bills, only about 10% of those showing up were for the bills (various bans), but they choose an equal number to speak on each side, pro and con.

    I hope that those people speaking for both sides only stick to the facts and do not use emotional arguments. If I am not able to attend, I would like to speak to anyone here that is planning to go. I can supply data on the low number of silencer related crimes and letters from the WASPC and WACOPS on their positions. I can also prepare a fact sheet to give to the committee members.

    I have been hearing that the bill is expected to pass the House, but we need to keep pushing. I have been writing more to Senators and also sent the Governor a letter. A member of Gregoire's staff when she was the AG tried to convince me that silencers were illegal in the entire USA. I hope to convince her that they are useful enough to be legal to use.

    Ranb
     
  2. vern357

    vern357 Near Olympia Member

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    Thats awesome! Is there any chance it would be on a friday, as I could be there for that at is it my day off. Either way, let us know ASAP and GOOD WORK! on this!
     
  3. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    The hearing will take place on Wednesday, 1/12/11. Agendas
    There is only one other gun control bill on the list, and it eases restrictions as far as I can tell. I do not anticipate much of an anti-gun crowd showing up for this one.

    I will be taking the morning (or whole day) off from work to attend. Anyone want to join me? PM me if interested.

    Ranb
     
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  4. nubus

    nubus Guest

    I'm in Olympia and I'm definitely in!
     
  5. vern357

    vern357 Near Olympia Member

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    Ranb I will try and move my work schedule around to be there, will post once it is approved.
     
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  7. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    The public hearing is on the 12th, there is an executive hearing on the 13th, whatever that is. I'm thinking the second hearing is closed to the public, but not sure though.

    Ranb
     
  8. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I hope to speak at the hearing. I think I will have at most five minutes to do so. I wrote up some stuff I feel is why Olympia should amend the law. Feel free to comment.

    Ranb
     
  9. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Great post.

    May I make a small suggestion.

    You say ;
    "Until this year I had never heard of any crimes committed in Washington with a suppressor. I wrote to every county sheriff’s office requesting data on any crimes associated with suppressor use and violations of RCW 9.41.250(c). All of the county sheriffs except for five responded to my request. Most of the sheriffs said they had no experience with any suppressor crime. Five counties reported a total of ten crimes associated with firearm suppressors going back as far as they kept records on the statute. With suppressors readily available to anyone who wants one, it appears that suppressor related crime is a not a problem in our state. Since suppressors are already legal to own in this state, they are not likely to become a problem if we allow their use."

    Did they state if the crimes were committed with LEGAL or illegal silencer? Unless they told you they were committed with legally registered silencer you might point out that the people that committed those crimes were already breaking State and Federal law and the "new" wording of the law would not change that.

    Just a thought.
     
  10. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Thanks. I was intending to mention that I had no evidence that any of the silencers involved was registered. I was not able to find out if they were registered or not in any of the incidents.

    Ranb
     
  11. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I called Representative Pedersen's aide and was told that the hearing is indeed scheduled for Wednesday morning at 0800. The John L. O'Brien building is right next to the Capital building and Cherberg building. The building should be open at about 7am. I was told that there is ample parking near the roundabout.

    I plan on being there shortly before 7am to sign up. There should be sign-up sheets for those who are pro or con for each bill and you can indicate if you wish to speak at the hearing. It is first come first serve. I am not sure if a person can defer to someone else for more time or to sign up early for a person who is late.

    We need at least two people who own silencers to speak; a hobbyist like myself and a representative of the industry. When I was listening to people speak out against (and for) the 50 cal rifle ban in a Senate hearing a few years ago, they all had one thing in common, they said they did not own or have any experience with 50 caliber rifles. It made me cringe a bit.

    A representative of the industry will likely be more impressive to the committee as they are licensed or work for a licensee. If you are speaking, but prepared to say that you are speaking for yourself plus anyone who is willing to let you speak for them. I am only able to say that I am speaking for myself and a few other WA residents.

    Here are directions. http://www.ga.wa.gov/visitor/direction.htm (map at this link also)
    Ranb
     
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    68w Bonney Lake Active Member

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    subscribed. Best of louck to you sir.
     
  13. nubus

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    I am trying to contact a Class III dealer to show up and speak, but no luck as of yet.
    Please anybody post if you are aware of someone who will be attending.
     
  14. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    How did it go Randy?

    Sorry I couldn't make it but we are on a crunch (still in the office!).
     
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    vern357 Near Olympia Member

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    The meeting isnt until tomorrow. I took the morning off to be there but now it is looking like we will be snowed in on the hill here in Elma.
     
  16. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Got lots of snow here in Belfair also, but it is raining now (5:20 am) and I think the roads will be ok.

    Ranb
     
  17. nubus

    nubus Guest

    In hearing room A waiting for a quorum...
     
  18. supergenius

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    interesting....
     
  19. nubus

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    Hearing went off without a hitch. Great support for the bill.
    Not a single against showed up to testify or watch.
    Move to executive committee tomorrow.
    Fingers still crossed!
     
  20. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    When the bill was read by the committee staff, it was in a completely unbiased and supportive manner. Their statement included both the words suppressor and silencer. I think the time for being afraid to use the "other S-word" is coming to an end. :)

    A WACOPS representative showed up and spoke first, completely stole my thunder. :) That is ok though as he was dressed in a suit and spoke just as eloquent. He also gave healthy support to the notion that civilians should be able to use silencers too. I was left with one minute and only mentioned federal penalties. I forgot to bring up the low crime data I brought with.

    A very big thank you for Tom for showing up. He was the sole industry representative. He spoke of how WA class 2's were at a big disadvantage because they could not test their products in the state. I recorded the hearing; I will post the relevant parts on YouTube later today.

    Ranb