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I understand your view and agree that establishing democracy there (Iraq) will be an on going battle. But I think military personnel that took part in these operations are trying to get over the residual effects of their experience and are dismayed by the loss of ground. Iraq is a beautiful country and it is a shame that the Iraqi people's lives continue to be disrupted by religious and tribal feuds that are backed by terrorist organizations.
Comparing Iraq to Afghanistan is like comparing a Skyscraper to a grass hut. I am not saying Afghanistan is not a beautiful country (well maybe I am a lil bit) but it lacks the infrastructure and education to support commerce and democracy. I agree it will not change in our life times.
Afghanistan was a beautiful country (from the air, coming into Kabul). On the ground, not so much, as I'm sure you can relate. But I wasn't comparing the countries themselves. I was talking about the people. They don't care enough about lives outside their tribes/families to do anything about the situation they're in. The retaking of Fallujah by the muhj is just a case in point of how they continued to let themselves be "conquered". I hate the thought of the hard work and lives lost that have been negated by their indifference.
I had a friend over the other night, right after this happened, that was in Phantom Fury and took 5 AK rounds to the back, and all he could say was "Doesn't surprise me in the least, I'm just amazed it took this long for it to happen" They want Fallujah back because of the symbolism. We put a big-time hurting on them there, and for them to take it back is a MAJOR propaganda win for AQIZ