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Sen.Lautenberg (D-NJ) introduced S. 792 Explosive Materials Background Check Act

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by garguren, May 10, 2013.

  1. garguren

    garguren Southern Oregon New Member

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    Just saw this and haven't seen it posted anywhere else. Apologize if it has.


    Breitbart reports: On April 23, Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) introduced S. 792, the Explosive Materials Background Check Act. Originally, the Senator submitted the bill as a shell bill–meaning it was not fully written–but this month he has finally submitted the full text of his bill.

    An analysis of the text reveals profound changes to current law. Lautenberg’s changes in the explosives law would seriously hamper history reenactor hobbyists, black powder hunters, sportsmen, target shooters, and anyone that loads their own ammo with modern smokeless gun powder or the older style black powder.

    One change would require those that want to buy and store either smokeless powder or black powder to get a new license–at a rate of $50 every three years–to allow them to do so. The bill also says that they will only be allowed to have “limited” supplies but does not seem to say what amount would exceed those limits.

    Companies making pre-made ammunition are not required to obtain these licenses for now.

    The bill also redefines what “manufacturer” of explosives means. The original laws defines “manufacturer” as someone who is making explosives (cartridges, etc.) for sale. That commercial aspect of the law is struck out in the new bill. If Lautenberg’s anti-explosives bill passes, anyone that hand loads cartridges for their own use or anyone that uses black powder firearms for hunting, sporting, or hobby use will now be classified as “manufacturers.”

    This will also impinge on those that use Tannerite explosives for sporting purposes. This substance is manufactured as two separate powders and is legally sold over the counter because neither component is explosive by itself. Mixing these two inert chemicals together without a new explosives license, however, will likely be illegal.

    Lautenberg’s bill will also expand a ban of sale to more people. The new bill, for instance, will make it illegal to sell black or smokeless powder to anyone that has had a restraining order taken out against him.

    The new bill also turns the current “shall issue” practice into a “may issue” rule. In other words, the new bill would give authorities the right to deny any citizen the right to buy, store and own loose gun powder or explosives and the government doesn’t even have to supply any reason why the citizen is being denied. Nor will the government have to provide a means of redress. Once you are denied, that is it forever.

    The bill does not seem to affect fireworks dealers.

    Certainly, this new level of licensing will make it more costly for merchants to sell loose powder and will likely cause many that already may have low sales volume to cease selling such items. This will make it harder for gun owners to find supplies.

    These rules violate the Second Amendment in spirit by making it harder for citizens to have the gun powder they need to exercise their rights to self-protection. Founding father Thomas Jefferson foresaw this line of attack against our rights and noted that these sorts of restrictions are illicit.

    In his 1792 report on the Navigation of the Mississippi (ME 3:180), Jefferson wrote, “It is a principle that the right to a thing gives a right to the means without which it could not be used, that is to say, that the means follow their end.”

    If gun owners do not have the means–in this case the gun powder–to make their firearms work, then they are necessarily being denied the capability to exercise their Second Amendment rights.

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  2. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    another knee-jerk response to some *** hole that committed a crime with something that has the potential to do severe damage. the problem here is that it still wont make it harder to make explosives. gasoline is much cheaper already and with a mix of some sticky materials can do much more damage. NO2 is cheaper and is stored in a container that only needs to have the safety valve disabled to become a dangerous explosive. aluminum powder isnt very cheap but doesnt require anything of the sort to obtain and its probably the most dangerous of them all. far too many ways to make an effective bomb to justify such a bill. to top it off, excluding tannerite in this bill just shows how ridiculous it is.
     
  3. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    If I were in the senate I would attach a poison pill amendment to it that oulaws narrow urethras or some other rediculous notion. An amendment like that would accomplish just as much as the original bill in stopping those bent on doing evil.
     
  4. Frankenrifle

    Frankenrifle Clatskanie Active Member

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    Yup. Saw this one coming.
     
  5. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    So here's what I'm curious about...

    Since the boston bombers took apart fireworks to obtain the powder to make their bombs, does that make them manufacturers? By my reading of the bill, it doesn't.

    At the same time, anyone who passed high school chemistry can make a number of very powerful explosives with stuff found at most hardware stores. I'm sure glad this law would make doing that illegal, I just don't feel like terrorism and murder charges are enough of a deterrent. I'm sure this law will give every would be terrorist whose mind is locked on mass murder a moment of pause, and we will all have Lautenberg to thank!

    Oh wait...

    Makes me think of Celine's first law: National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity. and the corollary of "security theater".
     
  6. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    It's long past time to bring back tar and feathering.
     
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  7. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    As predicted.
     
  8. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    its bad enough anti-gun rights activists suggest violent action, we cant join that demographic.
     
  9. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure glad the Founders disagreed
     
  10. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I understand what you say and I used to think like that too. But I got over it.

    Our lawmakers regularly break the law, ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights and do so with impunity. They create unconstitutional laws, mandates and taxes and then live by some arcane set of ethics that don't apply to Citizens, the law loses its meaning.
     
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  11. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    doesnt make it right.

    and GOG, just because others act without considering morals doesnt mean you have to change yours. in the end, regardless of the laws of government, the laws of man should always be towards good and moral decisions.
     
  12. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    You're a good man Kevinkris. I will respectfully disagree.
     
  13. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    The reality is that they are the revolutionaries and we are those defending the former Republic and it's ideals
     
  14. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it does make right.. it's no different than shooting an armed attacker, this is simply collective defense. And it's coming, better pick a side cause there will be no toleration of fence sitters
     
  15. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Never quit, never surrender. Fight or lose 'em, baby!
     
  16. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    @ blitz and GOG

    you act like you want bubblegum to hit the fan. lets face it, there will be no action unless people are being killed in mass. when you do like the way others act, you just dont start acting like them. if people would try to set a good example, others will follow, if you make a bad example, they still follow. trying to say you want to keep all of the liberties your entitled to, (and yes i believe youre entitled to them) then making fools out of ourselves by spewing diarrhea from the mouth only makes it harder. good deeds are just as contagious as bad ones.

    my grandfather told me "dont say anything unless its constructive or positive, anything else can be conveyed with actions. making remarks that incite, imply, threaten or direct harm in any way is pointless; or foolish if you plan to follow through."
     
  17. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I don't want to see any type of violence.

    The Constitution and Bill of Rights are the law of the land. I want to see unconstitutional laws repealed and the "ruling class" held to the same standard as the average citizen. How that will happen, if ever, is open to conjecture.

    BTW, silence, tolerance and good manners have gotten us nowhere.
     
  18. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Without the fence sitters you're outnumbered. Better change some hearts minds.
     
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    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I believe fighting for liberty is constructive.. been doing it my entire life, peacefully if possible, but I am ready to go to the next level and will never apologize for that
     
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    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Numbers never win fights. The dedicated, skillful and prepared do