Oregon SB 978 Place Holder Anti-Gun Bill

Discussion in 'Firearm Legislation & Activism' started by Nick Burkhardt, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt
    NE Oregon
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,148
    Likes Received:
    9,942
    Directs Department of State Police to conduct study on reporting of attempted unlawful firearm transfers and present report on findings to interim committees of Legislative Assembly related to judiciary on or before September 15, 2020.

    Who could argue with that?

    But here is the problem.

    All bills have a “relating clause.” This bill’s relating clause says “Relating to firearms.” This means that every single word of the bill can be stripped out and replaced with completely different anti-gun language as long as that language relates to firearms.

    (These fake bills are called “place holders.”)

    We believe the Oregon Democrats are playing “hide the ball” with gun confiscation bills.

    While they are required to give advance notice of hearings on bills, they have almost no requirements to share information on “amendments” until, quite literally, the very last minute.

    We think that could very well be happening with this bill.

    Unless the Senate Judiciary Committee shares other bills they plan to hear (and they are running out of time to do that) it appears they will be holding a hearing on this bill and not allowing Oregonians to know what “amendments” they plan to introduce to make this an extreme anti-gun bill. Of course, the point of this would be to prevent you from knowing their plans so you would have no time to prepare arguments against them.

    This is this the worst type of deceit.

    If the Democrats decide to share what they will be trying to ram through on April 2nd we will let you know. But for now it seems they are determined to keep it secret so you cannot prepare a response.

    If you can be at the Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing at 8 am on April 2nd, your presence would be incredibly important. You will have to be prepared to testify on changes to the bill that will have been kept secret from you until the last minute. But that is how the Democrats roll in Oregon now.

    Please come. Please be ready. And please understand what an underhanded game the Oregon Democrats are playing.

    Anti Gun Frauds. Get Ready. - Oregon Firearms Federation

    https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB978
     
    bbbass, Baseacegoku and MS2AConcealer like this.
  2. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt
    NE Oregon
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,148
    Likes Received:
    9,942
  3. bunnybunny

    bunnybunny
    Portland
    Active Member

    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    161
    Baseacegoku likes this.
  4. GlockFan1990

    GlockFan1990
    OR
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    263
    Likes Received:
    607
    Still a trash bill that needs to be killed!
     
  5. bunnybunny

    bunnybunny
    Portland
    Active Member

    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    161
    The senate judiciary where I think we have the most sway to water down the bill. Dems only have one extra seat in senate judiciary. They have 7-4 majority in house judiciary.
     
    bbbass and GlockFan1990 like this.
  6. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt
    NE Oregon
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,148
    Likes Received:
    9,942
    Ginny Birddick's Gun Free Schools, Airports, Hospitals, Public Buildings and all Grounds Adjacent or parking areas Sections 26, 27, 28 and 29 are a big problem.
     
    bbbass likes this.
  7. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt
    NE Oregon
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,148
    Likes Received:
    9,942
    Rest assured, they will be back for those in two years.
     
    bbbass and Baseacegoku like this.
  8. DivCurlGrad72

    DivCurlGrad72
    Washington County, OR
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    1,255
    "Amendment", that's rich. :mad:

    By the way, I'm thankful for all the information being provided here, but there are like 3 or more separate threads on this topic right now. I would like to see them combined if possible - saves hunting through them all separately.

    EDIT

    Here are the related threads (maybe OFF ALERTs don't count, but still):

    OFF ALERT - Anti Gun Frauds. Get Ready.
    Oregon - SB978, anti-gun monster!
    Oregon - Anti-Second A Alert
    Oregon - Get ready for April 2nd. OFF says hearing on Firearm bills coming.
    OFF ALERT - SB 978 Turns Into Monster Anti-Gun Bill
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2019
    bbbass, Baseacegoku and ravenswood like this.
  9. GUNARCHER

    GUNARCHER Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    727
    I did not read it in detail but one factor stuck out: unfinished receiver? No description of size, shape or function. Could be applied to a block of metal. can't be serious. The Feds at least describe one as the percentage finished. This would be a disqualifying fact of this clause. Any one testifying on the 2nd should use this----or, wait 'til it's passed and then shoot it down.

    I was an inspector for a large A/C manufacturer and during modification of an experimental model, a part was found to be too wide. the engineer issued an order to "remove 1/2 inch from the part" when I asked to approve the rework by the mech. I asked to see the 1/2 inch, of course it had been discarded and it took a while before the supervisor, the engineer and the mech had finally realized I had no way to verify if the part met the drawing with out the only part dimension specified. Engineer added the dimension of the remaining part so that we could conform it to spec.

    This seems like the same type of riddle. hope this story helps in defeating the unfinished description of the "unfinished receiver"
     
    bbbass likes this.
  10. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt
    NE Oregon
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,148
    Likes Received:
    9,942
    Is this an Unfinished Receiver?
    the-plumber-s-choice-galvanized-pipe-1236pgl-64_1000.jpg

    Now it's finished
    oneshot_shotgun.jpg
     
    SUPER X, arakboss, titsonritz and 6 others like this.
  11. DivCurlGrad72

    DivCurlGrad72
    Washington County, OR
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    1,255
    Or possibly as soon as April 8th. From the OFF ALERT:

    This is not the end of it. Floyd Prozanski is planning another anti-gun bill to be heard on April 8th where, not doubt he plans to take away whatever he missed on this bill.
     
    bbbass likes this.
  12. Defense Minister

    Defense Minister
    Eugene/Springfield
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    452
    Likes Received:
    903
    As amended, SB 978 will outright BAN possession of 80% lowers and firearms manufactured from them with a felony crime if convicted of possession! I don’t personally own any such items, but those of you who do should be aware of this.
     
    bbbass likes this.
  13. tiggers97

    tiggers97
    United States
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    1,182
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    “SECTION 10. No later than January 1, 2020, the Oregon Health Authority shall adopt rules establishing the minimum specifications for trigger locks, cable locks and containers equipped with tamperresistant locks required by sections 6 and 7 of this 2019 Act.

    What? Why is the Oregon Health Authority doing something that law enforcement should be determining?
     
    partsed, Pete F, bbbass and 1 other person like this.
  14. JadeFox

    JadeFox
    Salem, OR
    Active Member

    Messages:
    109
    Likes Received:
    236
    A part of their ploy is that "gunviolence" is a medical issue and gun ownership is a mental disorder.
     
    SUPER X, Caveman Jim and Baseacegoku like this.
  15. tiggers97

    tiggers97
    United States
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    1,182
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    Then then need to go thru the process of qualifying it as a "medical device". Not a quick thing to do.
     
    JadeFox likes this.
  16. G0nefishin

    G0nefishin
    Clackamas
    Active Member

    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    87
    I'm getting tired of this crap. I will not comply with any of it.

    1 I don't think it's anyone's business what anyone makes for there own personal use
    2 I already remove the firing pin, bolt or striker from my firearms not in use.
    3 my ccw pistol is in a locked box tethered to my seat bracket when I'm not "allowed to carry it.
    4 I conduct my life in a way that doesn't interfere with anyone's day to day life & do my best to avoid conflict.
    5 I'm probably just going to move if this bubblegum passes or is upheld by law enforcement.
    I'm just tired guy's. Lol anyway there's my rant thanks for posting this information.
     
    OldTengu and partsed like this.
  17. tiggers97

    tiggers97
    United States
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    1,182
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    Section 16 of the bill:
    I have to read it thru again, but it sounds like it is banning 100% plastic gun under the definition of "Undetectable firearm". Otherwise it would need a “Security Exemplar” to indicate it is a gun. It refers to federal law 18 U.S. Code § 922 as the definition (quoted below). This is unneeded as there is already a federal law covering it since 1988 (Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988. All "plastic guns must contain a "Security Exemplar"). The basis of the law was a result of fear by gun control advocates and a mythical Hollywood created Glock 7.

    Never mind the mass hysteria that ended up not being true about "plastic firearms"; they can be seen in xrays and body scanners without issue. And are large and bulky to try and conceal, or otherwise unsafe to fire.

    And the use of the phrase "Downloadable firearm" is also a misnomer. People have been able to do that for years. It's call "blueprints", never mind the 1st amendment issues surrounding it. It speaks to a lack of understanding of the subject.

    Serialization is also a current law. You cannot sell your home-made gun to anyone else without serialization (18 U.S.C. 923(i)). Redundant. And this is besides the point that Law Enforcement hasn't really ever solved a crime by tracing firearms, other than an "huh, that's interesting".

    I am not sure what the phrase ""A piece of material that has solely had its chemical composition altered" means.

    If they really are concerned about "downloadable" or 80% guns, then make it a crime for a prohibited person to be in possession if they have intent to move it to 81%.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    18 U.S. Code § 922
    (C)the term “Security Exemplar” means an object, to be fabricated at the direction of the Attorney General, that is—
    handgun; and Attorney General shall promulgate regulations to permit the manufacture, importation, sale, shipment, delivery, possession, transfer, or receipt offirearms previously prohibited under this subparagraph that are as detectable as a “Security Exemplar” which contains 3.7 ounces of material type 17–4 PH stainless steel, in a shape resembling a handgun, or such lesser amount as is detectable in view of advances in state-of-the-art developments in weapons detection technology.
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2019
    Nick Burkhardt likes this.
  18. tiggers97

    tiggers97
    United States
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    1,182
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    It does sound like they do want to treat "unfinished frame or receiver" as a firearm for any new purchases, banning homemade gunsmithing. I wonder if Home Depot is going to get into the NICS background check system?

    Here is an example of an unfinished receiver.

    s-l1600.jpg
     
  19. JadeFox

    JadeFox
    Salem, OR
    Active Member

    Messages:
    109
    Likes Received:
    236
    It is really frightening having laws written by children and based on Hollywood fiction. The "people", "legislators", "political masters" who hold the reins over our existence are insane. SB978 is written by insane people. Why not just throw in kitchen utensils while they're at it?
     
    Aero Denezol likes this.
  20. Knebel

    Knebel
    Beaverton
    Active Member

    Messages:
    121
    Likes Received:
    107
    I am so baffeled by this nonsense I wouldn't even know what to testify other than "you're an idiot and you don't know what you are talking about".

    and how about, being held responsible for what a potential next owner does with HIS gun once you sold it to them and didn't give them a triggerlock with it. But well...In a country where the bartender is responsible when someone drives home drunk, I am not surprised one bit. I guess I'll start blaming other for my questionable actions too from now on.
     
    nwslopoke and G0nefishin like this.

Share This Page