S-1867/NDAA changes in 2012

[CommandoJoe]

Now that Obama has signed this, if anyone still has doubts about the applicability to US citizens, here's a good article talking about it...
Myth busted: Yes, the NDAA does apply to Americans, and here's the text that says so


This section sums it up pretty well:

Reading between the lines

Get this through your heads, folks: to properly understand the NDAA (or any other bill), you have to learn to think like lawyers and tyrants.

They don't just put language right out in plain view that says, "Americans may never be arrested or detained without due process." Instead, they create a web of legalese statements that are cross-referenced, paraphrased and specifically engineered to obfuscate their intended purpose. This is designed to hide their true intentions, not to make them clear.

Furthermore, if the bill actually intended to protect Americans from the NDAA, then it should have contained language saying something like, "American citizens are specifically excluded from all the provisions of this bill, in its entirety."

I'll bet anyone a thousand dollars they won't find language like that in the bill. Because it doesn't exist! And the reason it doesn't exist is because the NDAA is clearly intended to apply to American citizens.

The writers of the bill have managed to fool a lot of everyday people who seem unable to parse language and read plain English with any depth of understanding. That is as much a failure of America's public education system as anything else. I find it astonishing that today's citizens can't even read and understand the grammatical structure of sentences written in plain English. This alone is a highly disturbing subject that must be addressed another day. For now, it's enough just to realize that the NDAA really does apply to you, me, and all our neighbors and friends. In signing it, Obama has cemented his place in history as the enabler of government-sponsored mass murder of its own citizens.

History does repeat itself after all, huh? Hitler, Stalin, Mao and now "Obama the enabler." While Obama himself probably won't engage in the mass murder of American citizens, have no illusions that a future President will try to use the powers enacted by Obama to carry out such crimes. Gingrich, anyone?

 

[Pauly]

Nothing in this bill allows detaining American citizens. This is being hyped and propagandized.

Really?
What about previsions 1031 & 1032?

 

[Pauly]

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[Gunner3456]

Really?
What about previsions 1031 & 1032?

Wow. If that lib beotch Obama cheerleader from MSNBCrazy can diss Obama that much over this bill, it must be bad.

 

[Felt Lizard]

For those that minimized this legislation earlier, and implied a Chicken Little scenario, perhaps now would be the appropriate moment to pause and reflect.

 

[RB87]

Up next:

H.R. 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act (GovTrack.us)

"112th Congress: 2011-2012

To add engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States to the list of acts for which United States nationals would lose their nationality.
Sponsor: Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA15]

Status: This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Explanation: Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Dec 9, 2011 6:17AM]"

 

[Gunner3456]

Up next:

H.R. 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act (GovTrack.us)

"112th Congress: 2011-2012

To add engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States to the list of acts for which United States nationals would lose their nationality.
Sponsor: Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA15]

Status: This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Explanation: Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Dec 9, 2011 6:17AM]"

I would like to read this one. All US citizens are nationals, but not all nationals are citizens. It is possible for a foreigner to gain national status and come and go and work or live freely, without being a citizen.