National Resident Address Status For FFL Transfers.

[arakboss]

For tax purposes you are generally considered a resident of the State you spent the majority of days living in for the tax year.

For FFL transfer purposes should you list the address that you are living in at the time of the transfer regardless of how long you have lived in the State?

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[Nosferatu]

Dunno, just use: 1060 W. Addison, Chicago, IL.

he Nazis found it just fine, so ATF shouldn't have any problems either.

 

[Yarome]

For tax purposes you are generally considered a resident of the State you spent the majority of days living in for the tax year.

For FFL transfer purposes should you list the address that you are living in at the time of the transfer regardless of how long you have lived in the State?

That's not entirely accurate. Residency status is state specific. For tax purposes, determining where and how to file rules can depend on where you spend your time, but that's independent of your actual state of residence for legal purposes.... which falls under different criteria.

FFL transfer would depend on your legally established state of residence... not where you are currently, where you spend your time or under which state or status you file your taxes under. The most common proof of residency is which state your DL (or state ID) is issued under. Different states have different residency requirements to issue a state ID, or not, though.

 

[arakboss]

That's not entirely accurate. Residency status is state specific. For tax purposes, determining where and how to file rules can depend on where you spend your time, but that's independent of your actual state of residence for legal purposes.... which falls under different criteria.

FFL transfer would depend on your legally established state of residence... not where you are currently or under which state or status you file your taxes under.

I was wondering if I spent time living in two different States throughout the year, if I could purchase firearms in each State. It looks like I could:

May a person who resides in one state and owns property in another state purchase a firearm in either state? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

If a person maintains a home in two states and resides in both states for certain periods of the year, they may, during the period of time they actually reside in a particular state, purchase a firearm in that state. However, simply owning property in another state does not alone qualify the...

www.atf.gov

 

[Yarome]

I was wondering if I spent time living in two different States throughout the year, if I could purchase firearms in each State. It looks like I could:

May a person who resides in one state and owns property in another state purchase a firearm in either state? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

If a person maintains a home in two states and resides in both states for certain periods of the year, they may, during the period of time they actually reside in a particular state, purchase a firearm in that state. However, simply owning property in another state does not alone qualify the...

www.atf.gov

Yup. It depends on the state, but in either case, you must provide proof of residency status, determined by that state, to have legal status within that state for FFL purposes. It's not always a state issued DL, but that is the most common. Some states will issue you a state ID card, without having to surrender your DL issued by another state, but that's rare. There are other proofs of residency though, but again... it depends on which state you are talking about.

So... it's possible, but not a given and it's more rare than common.

Where it IS possible, be aware that it can be a process and may or may not be accepted by every FFL. More by policy than "law". IE., An FFL might only accept limited forms of ID.

 

[Yarome]

I will say though that's it's not all that uncommon. RV folk deal with it all the time. Maintaining "residency" in a friendly state for legal purposes (taxes, insuance, etc), but might spend less than one overnight trip in that particular state within years.... and still maintain "residency" status in another state where they spend a good chunk of the year and make firearm purchase during the particular block of time they are there.

Some states are extremely friendly that way while others are not at all. FWIW, Oregon (and other western states) are not at all that friendly... in that regard.

I'm not sure about Idaho, though.


On edit: Doesn't look like it. Idaho is pretty strict on "residency" status. Although, you could establish Idaho residency and residency status in another state that "does" allow it.

 

[Stomper]

FRIKen GYPSIES!!

 

[Hooyah DeepSea]

For an example . . . if your 'state of residence' (i.e. whose driver's license you carry, or the state you vote in) is California, you most probably will not be able to purchase firearms, or at least 'certain firearms' while at your summer home in Oregon, despite have a residence here.

 

[Member 18201]

Instructions on Form 4473 for Section A Question 2 are very clear.

 

[ma96782]

So many questions......ouch, my head hurts.
Time for a music break.

Aloha, Mark

PS.....IMHO, that song ain't Racist.
So STOP whining about the songs that I find to be ARTISTIC.

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An example of the ART.

Mind you that ICE-T makes a lot of $$$$$$$ playing cops in the Movies and on TV.

 

[arakboss]

Instructions on Form 4473 for Section A Question 2 are very clear.

I don't think it's all that clear as there can be different definitions as to where your residence is. A guy at Cabela's told me it was were you lay your head down at night.

If you are residing in multiple States at different times of the year which one do you call your residence?

 

[Member 18201]

Did you read the printed instructions on the 4473, or ask a clerk ?

 

[ma96782]

NOT a lawyer and I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn.

BUT, But, but........FYI.......and Just Saying.

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Aloha, Mark

 

[Member 18201]

ATF Form 4473

 

[arakboss]

Did you read the printed instructions on the 4473, or ask a clerk ?

Can you post the instructions you are referring too?

 

[arakboss]

Can you post the instructions you are referring too?

nevermind I missed your previous post. I will look it over

 

[Yarome]

I don't think it's all that clear as there can be different definitions as to where your residence is. A guy at Cabela's told me it was were you lay your head down at night.

If you are residing in multiple States at different times of the year which one do you call your residence?

The guy at Cabela's probably knows all.

"Domicile" and "resident" are 2 different things. "Officially" you can have only one residence as dictated by what state you have on your DL or state ID card. It is illegal to hold more than one state issued ID...or "residency status".

That said, some states allow other forms of proof of residency, but they are few and may or may not be acceptable for an FFL transfer.

The most common, although not exclusive, time a person "may" have "residency" status in 2 different states for FFL purposes would be government or military personnel... where you may have residency in your home civilian state, but your current duty station will also qualify you as having residency status in another state with your federal ID.

So... is it possible, yes... but for most practical purposes and your average Joe/Jane.... it's extremely rare and not something you can just do without a specific set of circumstances, planning and effort.

 

[arakboss]

ATF Form 4473

View attachment 1303494

This settles it and it means the Cabela's guy was right. Thanks.

 

[Yarome]

This settles it and it means the Cabela's guy was right. Thanks.

I would argue he was completely wrong. Where you lay your head at night has no bearing on which state is your legal state of residence. Using an address acceptable for residency status does not make you a "resident" of that state in and of itself.

It simply meets one of the residency requirments. IE., most states won't allow you to use a PO box to apply for residency status.

 

[arakboss]

The guy at Cabela's probably knows all.

"Domicile" and "resident" are 2 different things. "Officially" you can have only one residence as dictated by what state you have on your DL or state ID card. It is illegal to hold more than one state issued ID...or "residency status".

That said, some states allow other forms of proof of residency, but they are few and may or may not be acceptable for an FFL transfer.

The most common, although not exclusive, time a person "may" have "residency" status in 2 different states for FFL purposes would be government or military personnel... where you may have residency in your home civilian state, but your current duty station will also qualify you as having residency status in another state with your federal ID.

So... is it possible, yes... but for most practical purposes and your average Joe/Jane.... it's extremely rare and not something you can just do without a specific set of circumstances, planning and effort.

If you read the instructions provided by @tdb59 it provides the answer. If I keep my home here and get a 2nd home in Idaho then I should list whatever home I am staying at when purchasing a firearm. Convincing the FFL to sell it to me might be another problem. But as you eluded to earlier that would be a policy issue with the FFL.