Printed Approved NFA Form Size Restrictions?

[3MTA3]

I have several NFA items and want to keep copies of the approved NFA Forms on the firearms.

For example on my AR 15 SBRs I'd like to put small but readable laminated copies of the SBR Form 1 and the Form 4 of the silencer inside the grip cavity to ensure they are always with the firearm. In the case of a 300 BO bolt action I'm SBRing I'd like them to be small enough to perhaps attach to the rear portion of the stock.

I'd also like to put a small laminated "book" together to keep with range boxes.

So long as the copies are legible are there any restriction on the printed form size?

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[Stomper]

I have several NFA items and want to keep copies of the approved NFA Forms on the firearms.

For example on my AR 15 SBRs I'd like to put small but readable laminated copies of the SBR Form 1 and the Form 4 of the silencer inside the grip cavity to ensure they are always with the firearm. In the case of a 300 BO bolt action I'm SBRing I'd like them to be small enough to perhaps attach to the rear portion of the stock.

I'd also like to put a small laminated "book" together to keep with range boxes.

So long as the copies are legible are there any restriction on the printed form size?

Make 'em into laminated credit card sized copies and put 'em in your wallet.

 

[Nosferatu]

If you have a password manager (you should!) that allows document storage, scan them and store them in there. I've done this for all my F4's so they are available to me all the time on my digical pocket confuser.

 

[3MTA3]

If you have a password manager (you should!) that allows document storage, scan them and store them in there. I've done this for all my F4's so they are available to me all the time on my digical pocket confuser.

First I've heard of that! I use software password managers, but are you talking about an electronic one? Brand name?

 

[Nosferatu]

First I've heard of that! I use software password managers, but are you talking about an electronic one? Brand name?

Bitwarden and Dashlane are two that allow for encrypted file storage. I currently use Proton as I'm already on their paid tier. You could do something with KeePass as well, which stores everything right on your device.

If you want a physical storage key, an encrypted USB drive would do the trick. I've used the Kingston Ironkey in the past (no longer do, since other options work better for me).

 

[thorborg]

According to the ATF in Portland, as long as its legible, there is no restriction on size, Even allowed is to have a magnifier glass if needed to read it but that seems stupid, Also as stated above your cell phone can also save it. always keep a copy or phone record, with your SBR device out of home with the original in a safe place at home.

 

[3MTA3]

According to the ATF in Portland, as long as its legible, there is no restriction on size, Even allowed is to have a magnifier glass if needed to read it but that seems stupid, Also as stated above your cell phone can also save it. always keep a copy or phone record, with your SBR device out of home with the original in a safe place at home.

All the NFA documents I currently have were delivered as pdf files via email. The only physical one was for a machine gun I sold a few years back. PDF's are stored on my NAS and printouts in the document storage in my gun safe and I can always go back to the ATF emails if needed.

I like the idea of credit card size physical copies along with a credit card sized fresnel magnifier along with storage on my iPhone. . .

 

[thorborg]

I'm paper and snail mail, for everything of course I'm punished for that with increased wait times and for other things lack of access or inability use or contact many things, make appoints etc. but then just about everything in life is the same digital and cell phone only now, sadly as it has become, its my choice to do without. So far not the worse for it, YET!

 

[wired]

Any particular reason you feel the need to carry them around?

 

[3MTA3]

Any particular reason you feel the need to carry them around?

Good question. Yes, they are in a trust and when I start adding trustees I want record of their lawful status to always go with them. Another reason is I'm using one of them to hunt and run into Fish and Wildlife and don't want to walk a mile or two back to camp to produce documentation.

Is there any reason I would not want to carry the documentation with the NFA firearm?

 

[wired]

Good question. Yes, they are in a trust and when I start adding trustees I want record of their lawful status to always go with them. Another reason is I'm using one of them to hunt and run into Fish and Wildlife and don't want to walk a mile or two back to camp to produce documentation.

Is there any reason I would not want to carry the documentation with the NFA firearm?

I havent carried anything in at least 15 years and I regularly go out witha truck load of post sample machine guns and what could , by some, be called ,an arsenal. Ive found the local police dont want anything to do with enforcement of the NFA and even if they did nothing would come of it if they did decide to take me for a ride. It would just make for a cool story...bro.

 

[3MTA3]

I havent carried anything in at least 15 years and I regularly go out witha truck load of post sample machine guns and what could , by some, be called ,an arsenal. Ive found the local police dont want anything to do with enforcement of the NFA and even if they did nothing would come of it if they did decide to take me for a ride. It would just make for a cool story...bro.

I have had a County Mountie check my paperwork on a machine gun I used to own. Somebody who thought all MG's were illegal had called in a complaint so he had to respond. Nice guy and I let him put a mag through it before he left.

 

[wired]

I have had a County Mountie check my paperwork on a machine gun I used to own. Somebody who thought all MG's were illegal had called in a complaint so he had to respond. Nice guy and I let him put a mag through it before he left.

Let's say you had didn't have your paperwork with you. What's the worst that's gonna happen. You're gonna take a ride downtown. End of the day they have nothing to charge you with . You're gonna waste the rest of the guys afternoon that he could've been out bothering other people . You're a hero.

 

[Nosferatu]

Technically, only the ATF and IRS have the legal authority to inspect NFA paperwork. You could tell a local LEO to pound sand.

That may not be the most practical approach though, and just producing documentation can prevent an unscheduled ride.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Make 'em into laminated credit card sized copies and put 'em in your wallet.

The wallet would be huge like George Costanza's! Isn't just having pdfs/pics on your phone good enough? Almost all mine have no hard copy originals. Just PDFs from ATF.

View: https://youtu.be/gwEmQNd6wMA?si=MXMKHKOqGnx6BXdf

 

[3MTA3]

The wallet would be huge like George Costanza's! Isn't just having pdfs/pics on your phone good enough? Almost all mine have no hard copy originals. Just PDFs from ATF.

View: https://youtu.be/gwEmQNd6wMA?si=MXMKHKOqGnx6BXdf

Depends on the number of items. I currently have all of eight NFA items and there will likely only be a few more. Hard copies don't depend on a battery either.

 

[Stomper]

Hard copies don't depend on a battery either.

I'm pretty sure there's a viagra joke somewhere with that....

 

[red442joe]

Well....having lived in Commiefornia during, and after the AWB, I have a comment...
Guys built "lettered" guns. They got a letter from the AG saying their particular build wasn't on the List of banned guns. They kept the Letter with the gun when at the range.
It DID NOT stop some over-achiever elitist prick with a badge from jamming them up.
"Anyone can print a letter saying anything"
This leads into the stories of evidence numbers scratched into the side of siezed guns....

Joe