pointed cast bullets

[arakboss]

Does anybody know who might make the molds for this type of extreme pointed bullet and what the intended use was (hunting)? What would the style of bullet be called? Any ideas on easy way to make this bullet safe for lever action tube magazine?

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[arakboss]

My plan is to powder coat them either before or after tip modification.

 

[gmerkt]

Are they a cast bullet similar to Minie ball made for inline black powder?

 

[RVTECH]

What is the caliber?

 

[arakboss]

What is the caliber?

44cal according to seller but I do not know the exact diameter. I will bring calipers with me.

 

[arakboss]

Are they a cast bullet similar to Minie ball made for inline black powder?

That very well could be.

 

[arakboss]

Are they a cast bullet similar to Minie ball made for inline black powder?

They are cast for sure.

 

[RVTECH]

That very well could be.

I'd say probably intended for a 'traditional' style ML rifle given the hollow bases.

 

[arakboss]

Pic of some with gas check and lube plus a little frosting?

 

[Certaindeaf]

Pic of some with gas check and lube plus a little frosting?


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Revolver bullets.

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[arakboss]

Revolver bullets.

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Nice work, that looks like the bullet. Thank you. Now to figure out how to make them safe for lever action. 44-40 to be exact.


Edit looks like mold is Lyman mold 429303.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Nice work, that looks like the bullet. Thank you. Now to figure out how to make them safe for lever action. 44-40 to be exact.


Edit looks like mold is Lyman mold 429303.

A flat nose punch during sizing might make a big enough and uniform flat spot.
Or just load 2 at a time if they don't need sizing.

 

[dangerranger60]

Unless you are getting these free, and only wanted to modify a couple for an experiment, I'd pass and look for a bullet that already fills your needs. There are lots of guys out there casting bullets for their 44-40 that will sell you a few.
The lube bands on those bullets are extra wide to hold more traditional bullet lube. This works real well when using Black Powder. [ the extra lube keeps the BP fouling soft and easy to remove] But is unnecessary for smokeless loads. And in a powder coated bullet it will lower the weight of the bullet, and cut down on the contact area.
What lever action are you shooting them from? If its a modern gun it should take a .429 bullet and they can be had in 200 all the way up to 310 gr [ for use in a rifle] My own favorites are 200 and 240 gr SWC bullets.
For around $20 you can get a lee mold to start you on your way. A lot of bullets have been made on a camp stove with a $20 mold! DR

 

[dangerranger60]

Look at Lee's molds 90336, and 90338. Both are safe in a lever gun.

Lee Precision, Inc. - Hand Gun Bullet Molds

Lee Precision Handgun and Pistol Bullet Molds

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Other retailers sell these molds for around $20 try Titian Reloading!

 

[arakboss]

Unless you are getting these free, and only wanted to modify a couple for an experiment, I'd pass and look for a bullet that already fills your needs. There are lots of guys out there casting bullets for their 44-40 that will sell you a few.
The lube bands on those bullets are extra wide to hold more traditional bullet lube. This works real well when using Black Powder. [ the extra lube keeps the BP fouling soft and easy to remove] But is unnecessary for smokeless loads. And in a powder coated bullet it will lower the weight of the bullet, and cut down on the contact area.
What lever action are you shooting them from? If its a modern gun it should take a .429 bullet and they can be had in 200 all the way up to 310 gr [ for use in a rifle] My own favorites are 200 and 240 gr SWC bullets.
For around $20 you can get a lee mold to start you on your way. A lot of bullets have been made on a camp stove with a $20 mold! DR

These bullets are part of a larger group with other traditional shaped bullets, I will make them work even if I have to manually load them. The rifle is a Rossi 92 and I am pretty sure it has the larger bore. I read that they used the same barrels for both the 44mag and the 44-40 to save production cost. I can always load them up for the Model 29 if they don't work well in Rossi 92.

 

[gmerkt]

The gas check disabused me of the idea they are for black powder. The great big lube rings fooled me. I wonder what the idea was for those lube rings. They probably take several times the amount of lube that a conventional design cast bullet takes. I'd consider the idea of tumble lubing these rather than conventional lube pumped in there while sizing. For the unfinished ones, that is.

These would be fine in the Model 29 as mentioned. Seems like I remember some conical bullet factory loads made for law enforcement decades ago. The ones I remember seeing were jacketed or copper washed.

The picture in post #9, bullets in blue box, that white frosted look might be powdered mica. Which by itself is sometimes used as a bullet lube (like Hornady swaged bullets) or some casters have used it to reduce the sticky quality of some waxy lubes for purposes of handling. Like powdered sugar is used on some old-time candies. Or, it might be some kind of powdery corrosion, I can't tell without seeing in person. Just saying, if it's mica, it isn't a defect.

 

[edzz]

These would be fine in the Model 29 as mentioned. Seems like I remember some conical bullet factory loads made for law enforcement decades ago. The ones I remember seeing were jacketed or copper washed.

I suspect the ones you are remembering are the old metal piercing cartridges.

metal piercing cartridges

 

[dangerranger60]

These bullets are part of a larger group with other traditional shaped bullets, I will make them work even if I have to manually load them. The rifle is a Rossi 92 and I am pretty sure it has the larger bore. I read that they used the same barrels for both the 44mag and the 44-40 to save production cost. I can always load them up for the Model 29 if they don't work well in Rossi 92.

Lee makes molds in .429 and .430. If the bullets in your picture are for BP muzzle loaders they will be way oversize for your use. If they are sized .429 or .430 you could use them with one in the chamber and only one in the mag. or load them backwards as a Wad Cutter. Or if you are really determined to use them.... Make a jig to drop them in and only file off the points. kind of like a trim die, it holds the bullet at the correct height and you file them down to the jig top. But that's a lot of work for a bullet that you could have bought the right one from the start. Good Luck. DR

 

[arakboss]

Lee makes molds in .429 and .430. If the bullets in your picture are for BP muzzle loaders they will be way oversize for your use. If they are sized .429 or .430 you could use them with one in the chamber and only one in the mag. or load them backwards as a Wad Cutter. Or if you are really determined to use them.... Make a jig to drop them in and only file off the points. kind of like a trim die, it holds the bullet at the correct height and you file them down to the jig top. But that's a lot of work for a bullet that you could have bought the right one from the start. Good Luck. DR

Loading backwards is an interesting idea, I might try a few that way. Filing off the tips would require more work than I would want to spend on them.

They measured out around .430 to .431. Most all of the bullets I bought yesterday do not have any lube on them and I am planning on powder coating them instead of lubing and gas checking them. I will run them through a lee sizer die after powder coating to get them down to the yet unknown diameter my Rossi 92 rifle is going to like to chamber.

My goal for these bullets is to knock down silhouettes at the range so not looking for moa accuracy. Loading backwards might work for that. If it doesn't work well, I will just load them one at a time or use them in my revolver.

 

[TM-Salem]

First thing to do is slug you barrel to see what size your dealing with. For cast you should go + .001 to .003 over bore diameter. My 1894 Marlin 44mag slugs at .430 and I cast and powder coat bullets and size to .432