OSP background checks.... ug

[PDXSparky]

Also has anyone else noticed the difference in length of delay between phone and internet application submission?

Not for me. I get approval within seconds either way. It isn't the OSP, it's you.

 

[Keane]

Go stick up a 7-Eleven and ask me the same question the next day.

But if you want a easy answer: They can certainly delay it by 5 weeks, just ask OregonPlinker...

Nope, actually... Find a good gunshop that will release the firearm after the 3 days, and the OSP can eat it. It is federal law for a reason.

 

[biggie24420]

I have been buying guns since 2004 and never once was I delayed. And now with the online check, it's even faster.

-OregonPlinker- I don't work for OSP but I think your history has something to do with the delay... that's what common since tells me. Is there an ORS that shows or talks about getting your CHL back after 4 years of last contact with the police when it comes to DUII/DUI arrest?

Good luck!

 

[AlphaCoyote]

I also don't believe that the government should take rights from other people.

People sometimes forfeit their rights by their actions -- like by sticking up a 7-Eleven or becoming insane by taking too many drugs. Those people are the targets of the background checks. It's not the government taking their gun rights away; those people forfeited their rights. With a rap sheet as long as OP's I'm sure they are checking to make sure he hasn't committed a felony or done something else since the last time they checked. He created a situation in which he gets greater scrutiny in the background check, and I'm disappointed that he doesn't take responsibility for that, instead blaming the OSP.

 

[rur862]

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[AlphaCoyote]

Rights can be forfeited.

Or perhaps you think a criminally insane homocidal maniac who has been convicted of raping your daughter and others at gun point should be able to buy new guns? Really? That's your concept of gun rights? That guy just belongs to an "unfavourable group" being persecuted by the government, whose right to keep and bear arms should be unlimited?

Poor poor criminally insane homicidal maniac rapist. He's being oppressed. We should feel sorry for him.

Sorry man. He made choices and forfeited his gun rights by those choices.

OP set himself up for closer scrutiny. Personal responsibility. Gotta accept it and the consequences of your bad behavior.

 

[RB87]

Rights can be forfeited.

Or perhaps you think a criminally insane homocidal maniac who has been convicted of raping your daughter and others at gun point should be able to buy new guns? Really? That's your concept of gun rights? That guy just belongs to an "unfavourable group" being persecuted by the government, whose right to keep and bear arms should be unlimited?

Poor poor criminally insane homicidal maniac rapist. He's being oppressed. We should feel sorry for him.

Sorry man. He made choices and forfeited his gun rights by those choices.

OP set himself up for closer scrutiny. Personal responsibility. Gotta accept it and the consequences of your bad behavior.

See that sounds all good. Keep the guns away from the violent felons. Unfortunately, its not worked out that way and plenty of violent and non violent felons still get guns. The Lautenberg ammendment anyone? More of those types of laws gives the government more options to lock up and disarm more people and keep them in constant fear of government. Lautenberg was ex-post facto on top of it. Many got turned into felons essentially overnight.

"The act bans shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse in all 50 states. The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons."

Do you know how easy it is to get a "rap sheet" anymore? How easy it is for your domestic partner to get a restraining/protective order against you, especially if its a woman filing against a man? They're usually ex-parte hearings, which means the defendant doesn't get to rebute the charges in court, they're not even in court when its filled. The cops take your guns no matter what and you'll be lucky to get them back months later if you fight and win against the charges.

Prime and famous example:
"The ultimate poster child for restraining-order reform is David Letterman. In December 2005, New Mexico resident Colleen Nestler requested a restraining order against the late-night host, accusing him of mental cruelty and blaming him for her bankruptcy and sleep deprivation. Nestler charged that Letterman -- along with purported accomplices Kelsey Grammer, Kathy Lee Gifford, and Regis Philbin -- had alternately wooed and rejected her with coded messages that he sent through the TV.

Judge Daniel Sanchez quickly approved the order but overturned it after Letterman's lawyers confronted him."

The High Price of Restraining Orders - DailyFinance

 

[OregonPlinker]

I have been buying guns since 2004 and never once was I delayed. And now with the online check, it's even faster.

-OregonPlinker- I don't work for OSP but I think your history has something to do with the delay... that's what common since tells me. Is there an ORS that shows or talks about getting your CHL back after 4 years of last contact with the police when it comes to DUII/DUI arrest?

Good luck!

I dont know if there's ORS or not but my Dads buddy has a worse record than me including 3 DUII's and he has his chl... I had a nice long list of misdemeanors and infractions when I got mine. I also know an ex felon that has his.

 

[nick1980]

I dont know if there's ORS or not but my Dads buddy has a worse record than me including 3 DUII's and he has his chl... I had a nice long list of misdemeanors and infractions when I got mine. I also know an ex felon that has his.

Since a ex felon can't own a gun, I guarantee you don't know a "ex felon that has" a CHL

 

[OregonPlinker]

People sometimes forfeit their rights by their actions -- like by sticking up a 7-Eleven or becoming insane by taking too many drugs. Those people are the targets of the background checks. It's not the government taking their gun rights away; those people forfeited their rights. With a rap sheet as long as OP's I'm sure they are checking to make sure he hasn't committed a felony or done something else since the last time they checked. He created a situation in which he gets greater scrutiny in the background check, and I'm disappointed that he doesn't take responsibility for that, instead blaming the OSP.

I agree with what your saying. You should read all of my post's before you say your disappointed in me. I have been in contact with OSP. They are the ones that told me they were gonna put a note on my file so they wouldnt have to waste their time again. Thats what disappoints me. They are wasting time on something they just did. As far as I know when I get a ticket or arrested my criminal file is updated before anything else happens. Even a court appearance. They know if I get busted peeing in an alley, when the court date is and then when I appear they find out the outcome. From what I know...

Notice the "I, me, my" language? Thats ownership, That my friend is responsibility! lol

 

[OregonPlinker]

Since a ex felon can't own a gun, I guarantee you don't know a "ex felon that has" a CHL

You can have your gun rights reinstated after a felony... You can also have felony's expunged... Wise guy

 

[OregonPlinker]

Just because someone gets in some trouble doesn't mean they are less of an American or a bad person. In fact, I personally would rather have someone that I knew wasn't afraid to break some rules on my side than someone who couldn't imagine stepping outside the box. Or thinking out of it...

 

[marcwannabe]

and this thiking is why you have not been approved

 

[OregonPlinker]

and this thiking is why you have not been approved

Yep cause the United States of America was founded by people who followed rules... You probably believe everything you see on the news as well huh? Especially regarding the government.?.

I love my jokes. lol

 

[DieselScout]

I dont know if there's ORS or not but my Dads buddy has a worse record than me including 3 DUII's and he has his chl... I had a nice long list of misdemeanors and infractions when I got mine. I also know an ex felon that has his.

So, either he's lying, you're mistaken or there was a mistake in issuing his CCL. The other option is he had it expunged, which mean in the eyes of the legal system he is no longer a felon.

166.291 Issuance of concealed handgun license; application; fees; liability. (1) The sheriff of a county, upon a person's application for an Oregon concealed handgun license, upon receipt of the appropriate fees and after compliance with the procedures set out in this section, shall issue the person a concealed handgun license if the person:

(a)(A) Is a citizen of the United States; or

(B) Is a legal resident alien who can document continuous residency in the county for at least six months and has declared in writing to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services the intent to acquire citizenship status and can present proof of the written declaration to the sheriff at the time of application for the license;

(b) Is at least 21 years of age;

(c) Is a resident of the county;

(d) Has no outstanding warrants for arrest;

(e) Is not free on any form of pretrial release;

(f) Demonstrates competence with a handgun by any one of the following:

(A) Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the State Department of Fish and Wildlife or a similar agency of another state if handgun safety was a component of the course;

(B) Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course if handgun safety was a component of the course;

(C) Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by law enforcement, community college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or a law enforcement agency if handgun safety was a component of the course;

(D) Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, reserve law enforcement officers or any other law enforcement officers if handgun safety was a component of the course;

(E) Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a handgun through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;

(F) Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state, unless the license has been revoked; or

(G) Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a firearms instructor certified by a law enforcement agency or the National Rifle Association if handgun safety was a component of the course;

(g) Has never been convicted of a felony or found guilty, except for insanity under ORS 161.295, of a felony;

(h) Has not been convicted of a misdemeanor or found guilty, except for insanity under ORS 161.295, of a misdemeanor within the four years prior to the application;

(i) Has not been committed to the Oregon Health Authority under ORS 426.130;

(j) Has not been found to be mentally ill and is not subject to an order under ORS 426.130 that the person be prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm as a result of that mental illness;

(k) Has been discharged from the jurisdiction of the juvenile court for more than four years if, while a minor, the person was found to be within the jurisdiction of the juvenile court for having committed an act that, if committed by an adult, would constitute a felony or a misdemeanor involving violence, as defined in ORS 166.470;

(L) Has not been convicted of an offense involving controlled substances or participated in a court-supervised drug diversion program, except this disability does not operate to exclude a person if:

(A) The person has been convicted only once of violating ORS 475.864 (3) and has not completed a court-supervised drug diversion program under ORS 135.907; or

(B) The person has completed a court-supervised drug diversion program under ORS 135.907 and has not been convicted of violating ORS 475.864 (3);

(m) Is not subject to a citation issued under ORS 163.735 or an order issued under ORS 30.866, 107.700 to 107.735 or 163.738;

(n) Has not received a dishonorable discharge from the Armed Forces of the United States; and

(o) Is not required to register as a sex offender in any state.

(2) A person who has been granted relief under ORS 166.274 or 166.293 or section 5, chapter 826, Oregon Laws 2009, or 18 U.S.C. 925(c) or has had the person's record expunged under the laws of this state or equivalent laws of other jurisdictions is not subject to the disabilities in subsection (1)(g) to (L) of this section.

(3) Before the sheriff may issue a license:

(a) The application must state the applicant's legal name, current address and telephone number, date and place of birth, hair and eye color and height and weight. The application must also list the applicant's residence address or addresses for the previous three years. The application must contain a statement by the applicant that the applicant meets the requirements of subsection (1) of this section. The application may include the Social Security number of the applicant if the applicant voluntarily provides this number. The application must be signed by the applicant.

(b) The applicant must submit to fingerprinting and photographing by the sheriff. The sheriff shall fingerprint and photograph the applicant and shall conduct any investigation necessary to corroborate the requirements listed under subsection (1) of this section. If a nationwide criminal records check is necessary, the sheriff shall request the Department of State Police to conduct the check, including fingerprint identification, through the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Federal Bureau of Investigation shall return the fingerprint cards used to conduct the criminal records check and may not keep any record of the fingerprints. The Department of State Police shall report the results of the fingerprint-based criminal records check to the sheriff. The Department of State Police shall also furnish the sheriff with any information about the applicant that the Department of State Police may have in its possession including, but not limited to, manual or computerized criminal offender information.

Regardless, having a CCL has NO bearing on the OSP background check. Also, the people who work for the OSP and do these checks are not sworn officers, they are citizens employed by OSP. If they weren't there they wouldn't be out catching poachers or dopers. Granted closing the gun unit may save OSP money, leading to new OSP trooper highers, but, I have to wonder, maybe it generates money for OSP, which is why they are so stubborn about holding onto it.

Regardless complaining here isn't going to help or change anything. Start writing letters, going up the chain of command and take action. Or stop complaining.

 

[SoberPoster]

I have been an armed security officer for a decade and was unaware of these delays; usually takes them 5-10 min on the phone for me on a gun purchase; after connecting.
I also have a spotless record; that is No Police Record at all.
I remmember delays like this, back in 1979. But not the last 5 years.
I do agree! Why is our OSP doing this when the Feds do it for free?

 

[clambo]

Since a ex felon can't own a gun, I guarantee you don't know a "ex felon that has" a CHL

Nothing I hate more than a bold statement made by someone who hasn't bothered to check his facts. Oregon allows several ways to retain gun " rights " after a felony. Since those statutes either seal, expunge,pardon, or treat the person's record like a misemeanor, there is not way for them to be denied a CHL.

 

[OregonPlinker]

I got a call back from OSP today which actually involved me getting an apology? Never expected that! I explained my situation on the message I left. Including the infamous note they were gonna put on my file. She didnt even make any excuses or anything today. She just said that she was sorry about it and they would get it reviewed. She didnt say they would put a note on the file.lol. Anyway I got a call half hour later from the shop saying I could come get my gun.

Diesel Scout you are right. Complaining on here wont do any good. I wanted to whine and my wife wouldnt listen to me either. I really didnt expect much of a response... I did get my first 5 star thread tho! lol.

And yes I do know an EX felon that had his record expunged and has his CHL.

Anyhooo, Thank you all for your comments and for reading. Its been a blast!!!