Oregon Alliance To Prevent Gun Violance:Answering Opponents on Universal Back---LC154

[tkdguy]

background Checks. [CeaseFire O] distributes this information believed to be linked to LC 154. Below are their talking points to support LC 154,

Claim: Will lead to gun registry.
Nothing in this bill creates a registry. State police must already destroy background records within five
years--and in practice do so sooner.

Claim: Will Lead to Gun Confiscation.
There are no proposals to confiscate guns.
The Oregon Firearms Federation, chief proponent to this point, made the same argument in 2000 to try to
block checks at gun shows.

Claim: Background Check to Rent at a Range or Lend a Gun for Hunting.
[Proposed legislation will only require a background check at transfer, which is defined in the law as a permanent
transfer--not rental or loaner].
ORS CITATION/ STATUTORY LANGUAGE.

CLAIM: PUNISHES LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, DOESN'T STOP CRIMINALS.
Oregon's 25 year old system works. In 2012, background checks stopped the sale of 2,378 guns to people with
a criminal background.
Responsible gun ownership includes making sure you don't sell or give a gun to someone that will use in a crime..

CLAIM: Colorado Proves Voters Will Punish Support for Background Checks.
The voters of Oregon overwhelmingly support background checks and will support candidates that help keep guns
out of the hands of criminals.
Background checks were a central issue in Virginia's attorney general race. As the winning campaign manager
wrote in the Washington Post:

In the end, voters were calling out for action on gun violence, and they flocked to the candidate who offered
progress and a sensible, mainstream approach to protecting Virginians.

SUGGESTION: When addressing members of the LC 154 committee {keeping in mind that for some of the members on the committee, are honest, but with respect to the others, LC represents the liars and cheats. The above may be talking points that can be countered in email or phone calls. Good luck with this.

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[DMax]

"In 2012, background checks stopped the sale of 2,378 guns to people with a criminal background."

Did any of these criminals get arresting for trying to buy a gun? The federal stats on this is unbelieveable proving that they don't enforce the laws they have. What is the point again of more laws. I bet if someone wanted to amend this bill to add if a criminal is caught trying to buy a gun through the check system and tripled the sentence of current law it would not make it into the bill more proof of lack of law enforcement.

 

[U201491]

Everything in their response is pure bullcrap.

 

[U201491]

background Checks. [CeaseFire O] distributes LIES like this information believed to be linked to LC 154. Below WERE their talking points until corrected on LC 154,

Claim: Will lead to gun registry.
Lie #1 Nothing in this bill creates a registry. State police must already destroy background records within five
years--and in practice do so sooner.

Claim: Will Lead to Gun Confiscation.
Lie #2 There are no proposals to confiscate guns.
The Oregon Firearms Federation, chief proponent to this point, made the same argument in 2000 to try to
block checks at gun shows.

Claim: Background Check to Rent at a Range or Lend a Gun for Hunting.
Lie #3 (for now, then they will want that also) [Proposed legislation will only require a background check at transfer, which is defined in the law as a permanent
transfer--not rental or loaner].
ORS CITATION/ STATUTORY LANGUAGE.

CLAIM: PUNISHES LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, DOESN'T STOP CRIMINALS.
Lie #4 Oregon's 25 year old system works. In 2012, background checks stopped the sale of 2,378 guns to people with
a criminal background.
Responsible gun ownership includes making sure you don't sell or give a gun to someone that will use in a crime..

CLAIM: Colorado Proves Voters Will Punish Support for Background Checks.
LIE #5 The voters of Oregon overwhelmingly support background checks and will support candidates that help keep guns
out of the hands of criminals.
Background checks were a central issue in Virginia's attorney general race. As the winning campaign manager
wrote in the Washington Post:

In the end, voters were calling out for action on gun violence, and they flocked to the candidate who offered
progress and a sensible, mainstream approach to protecting Virginians.

SUGGESTION: DEMAND they Vote against this bill in any form.

FIXED IT

 

[Nwcid]

CLAIM: PUNISHES LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, DOESN'T STOP CRIMINALS.
Oregon's 25 year old system works. In 2012, background checks stopped the sale of 2,378 guns to people with
a criminal background.
Responsible gun ownership includes making sure you don't sell or give a gun to someone that will use in a crime..

There were 2,378 denials or there were 2,378 ACUTAL denials to legitimate criminals?

There are often quotes of how many denials there are from background checks but no numbers on how many were errors which seem very common.

 

[mancat]

As for the first few claims regarding registration and confiscation, those are fairly easy to refute. Just about every state that has mandatory background checks, also has mandatory registration. UBCs are impossible to enforce without a system of firearms registration that can be cross-referenced against a privately owned firearm to determine if the owner passed a BGC.

In all likelihood, the only reason that these bills do not include mandatory registration, is because they would never pass with such language. It will likely be tacked on at the very last moment, or will be an additional bill that will be pushed through shortly after the passage of UBC laws.

Of those states that currently have registration of firearms, three (CT, NY, CA) are known to currently or (will soon begin) issue confiscation demands for various types of firearms that were previously legal. Canada is also an excellent example of this, as the RCMP issued a number of confiscation notices for various types of registered long guns that were previously legal, until the stroke of a bureaucrat's pen made them "too dangerous to own."

Also worth noting to these people is that Canada dismantled its long gun registry last year after massive non-compliance, and estimates that the system cost billions more CA dollars in RCMP man-hours to operate than anticipated, and was wildly unpopular with the public.

 

[U201491]

There were 2,378 denials or there were 2,378 ACUTAL denials to legitimate criminals?

There are often quotes of how many denials there are from background checks but no numbers on how many were errors which seem very common.

Very doubtful !