Other State No more removable magazines in CA?

[ARFrog]

Could you provide specifics on this? Thanks.

Examples include:

Washington - Initiative 1639
Washington Initiative 1639, Changes to Gun Ownership and Purchase Requirements Measure (2018) - Ballotpedia

Oregon possible mag capacity on ballot in 2020 Oregon Ban on Certain Firearms and Magazines with More than a 10-Round Capacity Initiative (2018) - Ballotpedia

Dilemas from Portland:
Guns in Portland: What you can and cannot do

Nevada - new governor states gun laws as "top priority"
Tougher gun laws among new Nevada governor's top priorities

 

[CountryGent]

@ARFrog, thanks for the links.

 

[Mark W.]

Good thing you can't be shot dead from 1000 yards by a single shot 144 year old rifle.

What a bunch of morons

 

[Rickenbacher39]

Probably why there is so many trannies down there. It's like a "boating accident" for nut sacs.

Oh Lord............. I know I shouldn't have but I laughed my butt off at that.
Does that make me evil?
No, wait.
You said it so you are evil.
Ok, problem solved.
Carry on.

 

[bbbass]

Cigar...

I hear ya.

commies are overtaking all major Texas cities.

So we in the country are hanging on, but the ever increasing commie mind set is a pernicious influence even here in 'good ole boy country'...what with fracking/insistent commie/weirdo politics...Oh you're a tranny, well you must be some kinda 'royalty' eh...? (ah, no, you're just a garden variety pervert whose somehow been accepted by commies as allies...)

When civil war breaks out, as it seems we're heading for, some aren't willing to give in to commie politics sexual or political...

William W. Johnstone is spinning in his grave!!

 

[ARFrog]

Unfortunately too many of them moving north have been bringing their politics with them.

Not looking to pick a fight here but is there "objective data" to base this on?

Many are leaving California for economic and political reasons. Why would they spend the time and money to recreate the situation they are "fleeing from?"

Might there be more data for government "entities" sharing notes? Certainly seems like it with the similar wording of some of the laws and initiatives in the varying states.

Might there be a change in what is being taught in our educational facilities?

Might the changes in our socio-economics from illegal immigration have anything to do with it?

or ??? or ???

As a native Californian I am willing to take the gratuitous hits for actual damage caused by our mere existence but not for those caused by unfounded prejudice.

As Rodney King was quoted: "...can't we all just get along?"

 

[ma96782]

Aloha, Mark

 

[CLT65]

Not looking to pick a fight here but is there "objective data" to base this on?

No offense intended towards Californians. Some of my best friends are originally from California. It's a beautiful state with lots of really good people. Unfortunately the good people are seriously outnumbered by the looneys and the ignorant, resulting in Sacramento. We have the same thing in Oregon now, and no, we can't blame it all on California.

My only basis for comment is a lifetime of observation as a native Oregonian. Since childhood, I've always heard people talk negatively about California transplants. Nice enough people, but it's a different culture and most of the Californians moving here had a very different way of thinking. I don't know how many times we heard "But that's how we do it in California", usually in support of some new proposed regulation. Yes, my whole life I've heard "Californian" as a term of derision. There is always some basis for a perception like that to take hold, and no, it's not fair to paint all Californians with the same broad brush.

You make a good point about the changing educational system over the years. As much as I respect good teachers and some very positive things about our public education system, the entrenched institutional bias scares me. Textbook companies are thoroughly owned by the militant left, and many teachers see their job as education, and their mission as indoctrination. It's no wonder that generations of young people graduate as little SJWs. Your kids can get a good education in school, but if you care about their worldview, talk to them and find out what they're learning.

 

[ma96782]

Aloha, Mark

 

[ma96782]

And, speaking of CA.

Aloha, Mark

 

[ARFrog]

CLT65, thanks for the reasoned dialogue. I think there is much to agree upon.

Merry Christmas!

 

[ARFrog]

And, speaking of CA.

Aloha, Mark

Hey, ma96782!

With the exception of one "potty mouth" slip, the young lady is spot on. The issue here is a microcosm of what we have seen and will continue to see in increasing frequency in the future.

Either:

1.) implementation of do-gooder policies without attached measurable success metrics; or

2.) coming up with cockamame schemes to supplement budgets or cover budget shortfalls

In California we have multiple fees and taxes to "solve" the same issues of roads, schools, infrastructure and now proposed for phones/basic communication. The governments gets away with this on the premise that if they bury it under enough legalize and deflection on your billing statements that hopefully you won't notice.

The screw up for the CA Public Utilities Commision (a non-elected body) is that they did not couch this in the mantle of being "for the children." If they had done so it might have had stronger legs for passage.

Whether in California, or Oregon or wherever, if you can't beat it back at the ballot box you are left with a dilemma. Or worse, if electorates send forward representatives like the new socialist darling from New York, AO-C, then IMHO we are all in jeopardy.

In California we have to deal with major population centers like San Francisco and LA sending forward leftists to Sacramento. i would assume that Oregon has Portland and Washington has Seattle. All of which are reason enough for us not to fight among ourselves.

With that in mind can I get a little love from some Oregon C&R 22 cal pump rifle sellers who won't sell to me as a FFL03 holder just because I am from California. Talk about discrimination! LOL, maybe they will all get coal in their stockings.

Once again, Merry Christmas to all!

And for Mark...

 

[Jonnyuma]

There is a cottage industry in CA working to subvert these laws the day they go into effect.

It may be considered a strictly semantic argument, but I think we need to own the language we use.
Charactarizing what logically should be considered "compliance" with the law as a work-around or (even worse) "subversion" of the law is playing the antis' game. It's the language they deliberately use to mischaracterize law-abiding gun owners as shady characters attempting to subvert the law or exploit "loopholes" in the laws they themselves have written and endorsed.

Said plainly: It's not a "loophole", it's the LAW.
It's not a "work-around", its COMPLIANCE with the LAW.

 

[Dungannon]

As far as the nuttyness in CA goes, I predict in the next 20-30 years they will be building a wall around it, to keep people from escaping.

Either the free states build a wall to keep the loonies out, or everyone pitches in to build walls around the commie states to keep the infection from spreading.

 

[nammac]

You better look over your shoulder Manny............... A name change for Austin, Texas?

Next it will be the rainbow flag flying over The Alamo

Burn the rainbow flag and it's a hate crime, burn the American flag and it's freedom of speech...

 

[ARFrog]

It may be considered a strictly semantic argument, but I think we need to own the language we use.
Charactarizing what logically should be considered "compliance" with the law as a work-around or (even worse) "subversion" of the law is playing the antis' game. It's the language they deliberately use to mischaracterize law-abiding gun owners as shady characters attempting to subvert the law or exploit "loopholes" in the laws they themselves have written and endorsed.

Said plainly: It's not a "loophole", it's the LAW.
It's not a "work-around", its COMPLIANCE with the LAW.

While I agree that we should comply with the LAW, many of the pushbacks seem to take two forms:

1.) work arounds or so called loop holes that take advantage of poorly written laws made by uniformed individuals who many times are legislating emotionally and inaccurately instead of specifically and with knowledge of the topics they are working on (Example: going featureless instead of registering my "assault weapon"; using a FFL03 license to acquire ammo across state lines to avoid ammo registration, etc.)

2.) legal challenges using the LAW against abuses of power or unconstitutional takings (Examples : high capacity mag bans, CCW or open carry bans as in Hawaii, etc.)

I believe it is my "legal right" to take advantage of those things that I am not expressly prohibited to do.

So it seems we have a choice:



Or



IMHO




...now back to our previously scheduled insanity.

 

[GWS]

In California, you have/had 3 options:

1.) register (deadline is now past) to have your fully featured "assault weapon"
2.) have a fixed mag where you need to pull the pin and break the action for a mag to drop out and re-load (or use a solution like in the video ???)
3.) go featureless - take off all the so called "evil features" and you can have a regular magazine release to drop mags

Is it a pain to live in CA with the current gun laws or those that may be coming - you bet'cha! However, seeing some of the laws that have recently passed in WA, OR and are being proposed/talked about there and in NV, maybe others need to invest in a codpiece to protect their "nut sacs."

Put another way, it might not be prudent to be pointing your finger at your gelded neighbor when someone is behind you reaching between your legs to do the deed while you aren't paying attention

This crap was why I moved out of the PRK
The legislature has Democrat super majorities and the next governor, Gavin Newsome is the worst liberal, lying, lecherous empty suit pos that you will ever see. And he wants to be president.
I commend California gun owners for their cleverness in dealing with the constant barrage of BS but, at the same time I can't help but feel that if they had put the same energy into defeating the legislation that they do in getting around it, they wouldn't be in this position.

As long as they fill it with water afterwards i'm good with that.

That's one way to prevent all those fires.

 

[ARFrog]

GWS stated "I commend California gun owners for their cleverness in dealing with the constant barrage of BS but, at the same time I can't help but feel that if they had put the same energy into defeating the legislation that they do in getting around it, they wouldn't be in this position."


Sadly, the difference is that defeating the legislation takes an aware, involved and informed electorate, which appears to be lacking. Whereas, the cleverness is most often the ingenuity of the individual, or few, who are knowledgeable about what they own and figure out how to work around the system.

I hope that as anti 2A laws infect other parts of the USA that there is not a running retreat or ceding of ground because those in the infected areas somehow "deserved it."

 

[oli700]

As a native Californian I am willing to take the gratuitous hits for actual damage caused by our mere existence but not for those caused by unfounded prejudice.

The way I see it is :
1. people are mad because California let the idea grow. People should have , or wanted to, hear the next shot heard round the world come out of California.......I don't blame California from not voting it down because gun owners are way too proud to be on the same political page ,you can easily see that on this site with everyone arguing about what not to wear to a rally , or what rights others should not be exercising then criticizing everyone on our side that doesn't fit their vision of a 2A protester.....politics takes a back seat to the problem of someone wearing camo every time.

2. people that flee are looked at as retreating.......didn't lift a finger or pull a trigger there for the home land. What makes one think they will do it here for a place that is not in their hearts.......just a hiding spot . You don't take a "tactical retreat" against rust and expect it to go away.

3. California is incredibly influential, riding on the coat tail of what was the greatest state in the union with invention, supply and freedom of the wild west . When the influence is picked up out in the US , its California's political will being encouraged and accepted in a place that doesn't have California problems ......and Californians gets the blame for not voting it down or disproving the idea....or straight revolting French yellow shirt style, kinda killing the cancer at its source.

4.Lots of companies from firearm to paper plate makers have to bend over backward for California regulations and fees . Some places manufacture two lines , one for the US and one for California ......further separating the notion that California is even part of the US anymore because everything is either California compliant or its for the rest of us.

it goes on and on ....It might be painting with a mighty wide paint brush but it is not unfounded prejudice .
And yeah Oregon is in the Fast Pass lane on this ........Suffered the same left controlled population centers destroying the culture of the rest of the regions that don't suffer the problems of the population centers . Now there is not one political right leaning politician influential enough to stop it.....they have a good battle plan those leftists. Physical fighting is the only real way to stop it unfortunately.....and that wont happen, even the great right hope banned idiotic bump stocks, we have no one .

 

[User 1234]

What makes you think that those of us who left California "didn't lift a finger" to oppose the nonsense anti-freedom laws there? I for one voted every single election during my residency there, encouraged others to vote against the stupidity, and donated to the California Rifle and Pistol Association, in addition to NRA membership. California simply has too many sheeple voting for anything with a promising title because they don't actually think about it. Since moving here I put a No on 1639 sign on my car and struck up conversations at gas stations and other locations about how irrational 1639 was. There are many like me.

Another thing I will say is that the private range rules up here shocked me, such as only allowing 8 rounds in your pistol's magazine. In California I never saw any range choose to nanny magazine use. Why in a state without a magazine ban would private ranges choose to essentially encourage the idea?

All of us who believe that as Americans we have the right to own firearms for self defense, as Heller made clear, need to educate potential voters, not blame other gun owners for failing to win every political battle from a condescending perspective.