My Boberg XR9-L

[bolus]

Like this. That's just art right there

 

[IronMonster]

Dang it, I had no idea I needed one of those until now

 

[The Heretic]

Keep us posted on how this performs.

Yeah, I would be interested to hear about it compared to the Kahr - I have a PM9 as a backup pistol.

 

[308]

Dang it, I had no idea I needed one of those until now

That's awesome...lol

 

[blizzardscout2]

That's awesome...lol

I know right? I heard a lot of people dissing the Boberg due to the price, but that doesn't mean it is a bad gun. I will report back how they compare.

 

[Certaindeaf]

It certainly is a curious thing.

 

[usagi]

you need well crimped ammo for this gun, if the bullet does not have a strong crimp it will get yanked out and cause misfeeds. it is a known issue with this design.

http://community.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/boberg-compatible-ammunition

 

[IronMonster]

Man, that guy has some chubby arms. They look like the balloon up right at his wrist to the size of his fist!

 

[dracozny]

that thing looks cool, too bad with the ammo issues though.

 

[blizzardscout2]

It would seem to me that as long as you use ammo with a good crimp it shouldn't be an issue

 

[usagi]

It would seem to me that as long as you use ammo with a good crimp it shouldn't be an issue

most factory ammo isn't crimped to prevent those kind of backwards forces. most are crimped just enough to prevent setback from normal forward feeding, which is normally pretty easy and only requires a light crimp. to prevent a bullet from being pulled out backwards requires a substantial crimp. substantial crimps can also cause headspace issues.

there is no saami "spec" for 9x19 that specifies the amount of crimp. therefore there is no "spec" to meet that will guarantee it won't fail in the boberg.

S&B is absolutely positively 100% NATO and SAAMI "spec", but they list it as incompatible.

the boberg is a clever and innovative design, but it does have its drawbacks.

blaming the ammo is silly as 9x19 was never designed to handle this.

 

[bolus]

This is the list of compatible ammo though. Its not like it is hard to find ammo for it

Known Compatible:

Aguila
115gr FMJ

American Eagle
115gr and 124gr (1 FTE reported) and 147gr FMJ
Flat Point 115gr and 147gr FMJ

Black Hills
115gr +P - see possible over crimp issue above
124gr JHP
124gr +P
Subsonic 147gr JHP

Brown Bear
115gr FMJ

Buffalo Bore
+P 147gr

Corbon
+P 90gr
PowR Ball +P 100gr
+P 115gr DPX

Federal
Classic Hi Shok 115gr JHP (3 separations from an old 1990's batch)
Guard Dog 105gr EFMJ
Premium HST +P 124gr
Premium Hydra-Shok 124 gr, 147gr JHP, 147gr +P
Premium Personal Defense Hydra-Shok JHP 124gr, 135gr and 147gr
Range and Target 115gr FMJ

Fiocci
147gr JHP
115gr FMJ

Georgia Arms
"Canned Heat" 115gr FMJ

Glaser
Pow'rBall 100gr +P JHP

Hirtenberger
100gr JSP

Hornady
Critical Defense 115gr FTX JHP
Critical Duty 135gr +P
TAP FPD 124gr and 147gr
XTP 115gr

Liberty Ammunition
Ultra Defense/USM4 50gr +P Fragmenting HP

Magtech
147gr Flat FMC
115gr FMJ
First Defense 92.6gr Solid Copper Hollow Point
Guardian Gold 115gr +P JHP

On Target
115gr FMJ

PMC
115gr JHP
Bronze 115gr, 124gr FMJ
124gr FMJ

ProLoad
+P 124gr JHP

Prvi Partizan
158gr FMJ

RBCD
Performance Plus Platinum 60gr Total Fragmenting Soft Point

Remington
Golden Saber 124gr JHP
Golden Saber Bonded 124gr +P
UMC 115gr MC and 124gr MC
UMC Leadless 124gr and 147gr
UMC Target 115gr MC and 124gr MC (1 report of FTF 10 rounds in 50)

RWS
85gr Copper Matrix NTF
124gr RN

Speer
Gold Dot 124gr JHP or 147gr
Gold Dot +P 147gr JHP
Gold Dot GDHP 124gr
Gold Dot Short Barrel 124gr GDHP

Tulammo
115gr Polymer-coated Steel Case FMJ (steel casing not recommended during break-in)

Underwood
115gr +P+ reported compatible but beware theoretical wear issues

Winchester:
NATO 124gr, 147gr FMJ
PDX1 Defender Bonded 124gr JHP +P (Partial separations reported - bullet shift prior to firing), 147gr OK
Personal Protection 115gr and 147gr JHP
Ranger 124gr, 127 +P
Ranger Bonded 124gr +P
SXT HP
White Box 115gr and 124gr Bulk FMJ

Wolf
115gr FMJ
Gold

 

[usagi]

some of the same ammo is listed under both incompatible and compatible...

if you read the boberg page, you'll see some people having problems with listed compatible ammo also.

plated bullets are off limits for the boberg, which means no cheap reloads. i understand this isn't intended to be a range gun but it does reduce its versatility for training.

 

[bolus]

I'm defending it because I've not seen any problems. The Hornady ammo I use has worked fine. Plus the bullet does not even contact the part of the magazine that grips in the bullet area. I dont see how it could even pull a part with these rounds. For me its not a problem just to buy the right ammo that works with it rather than being obsessed that it work with every known manufacturer.

 

[blizzardscout2]

I would be curious if Freedom Munitions works with it. I am a big fan of their ammo and it is very well priced.

 

[bolus]

I would be curious if Freedom Munitions works with it. I am a big fan of their ammo and it is very well priced.

That's what my range was stocking the last time I was there. It ran though the boberg just fine. It was their new ammo, not reloaded.

 

[blizzardscout2]

Oh very cool. Another plus for the Boberg

 

[mjbskwim]

WOW,$1000? Man a guy can buy 3 other pistols for that much.Then there is ammo issues?
Wish I had disposable income to test out prototypes for gun manufacturers

 

[Medic!]

I want one for the collection. I wouldn't even need to shoot it. Just get it before it's gone. And hang on to it like I have other unique guns.

It could just sit with my guns like my COP, Rohrbaugh. and HK p7.
It's fun pulling out a strange 30-80 year old gun and sharing it with someone who has never seen one.
And cheaper to buy when there still being made.

 

[OcelotZ3]

If you shoot it, you won't want to just let it sit... Very nice compact gun to shoot.