Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[ilikegunspdx]

I'm also hoping they look at it a little more like Washington with the grandfathering aspect. We already know there is no good way to prove you owned certain mags at any specific date and you shouldn't have to be arrested and put through a court system to try to explain this to a non-gun-friendly judge and jury. They've just gone too far, plain and simple.

Exactly. Judge raschio said the same thing in his ruling.

They will get away with any unjust laws they can on their crusade to disarm law-abiding citizens. At the same time they constantly decrease penalties for criminal behavior, have revolving door policies, and constantly pass new laws to "protect" criminals from the police, the courts, etc. I read the other day one city is giving teen offenders $2000 the moment they are released "so they can find housing". Punish law abiding citizens and take away their rights while rewarding criminals. Ds have made this bizzarro world.

 

[Jcon268]

Exactly. Judge raschio said the same thing in his ruling.

They will get away with any unjust laws they can on their crusade to disarm law-abiding citizens. At the same time they constantly decrease penalties for criminal behavior, have revolving door policies, and constantly pass new laws to "protect" criminals from the police, the courts, etc. I read the other day one city is giving teen offenders $2000 the moment they are released "so they can find housing". Punish law abiding citizens and take away their rights while rewarding criminals. Ds have made this bizzarro world.

My guess is they don't want us in jail as much as they'd rather we pay the fines associated. I doubt they want to serve 3 meals a day to gun owners . Our money, on the other hand, they can't seem to get enough of.

 

[CamoDeafie]

My guess is they don't want us in jail as much as they'd rather we pay the fines associated. I doubt they want to serve 3 meals a day to gun owners . Our money, on the other hand, they can't seem to get enough of.

But they aren't going to avoid "making examples" of a few gun owners in highly publicized raids

 

[Jcon268]

But they aren't going to avoid "making examples" of a few gun owners in highly publicized raids

Yeah and with our luck, they'll attempt to tie those examples to fighting real crime. They'll basically just be making your average gun owner into the low hanging fruit so they can pretend they're doing something.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

But they aren't going to avoid "making examples" of a few gun owners in highly publicized raids

Also every arrest undoubtedly = confiscation of standard capacity mags. I mean they hold well publicized gun buyback programs that probably cost $100k in personnel time to confiscate a total of 6 beater guns that would likely never be used anyway. They probably will think it's a wild success if they have a box of confiscated magazines.

 

[Jcon268]

Also every arrest undoubtedly = confiscation of standard capacity mags. I mean they hold well publicized gun buyback programs that probably cost $100k in personal time to confiscate a total of 6 beater guns that will likely never be used. They probably will think it's a wild success if they have a box of confiscated magazines.

It should go without saying, definitely do NOT bring any more than what you need for standard caps at that moment.... because they will get confiscated if you run into the wrong cop. Best you can hope for is to minimize your losses.

 

[Camelfilter]

It should go without saying, definitely do NOT bring any more than what you need for standard caps at that moment.... because they will get confiscated if you run into the wrong cop. Best you can hope for is to minimize your losses.

How would they get confiscated?

Why would you consent to a search, if you aren't doing anything illegal?

Then, for folks truly following whatever goofieness of the law (that isn't even implemented yet), transporting standard capacity magazines in a "lockable" case...wouldn't another warrant be required for a LEO to open the "lockable case"?

 

[jkor]

I guess 114 is off again. Sportsman's has online gun sales back for Oregon.

 

[Jcon268]

How would they get confiscated?

Why would you consent to a search, if you aren't doing anything illegal?

Then, for folks truly following whatever goofieness of the law (that isn't even implemented yet), transporting standard capacity magazines in a "lockable" case...wouldn't another warrant be required for a LEO to open the "lockable case"?

I guess what I meant to say is, don't have with you any more than you need that are visible? I'm not suggesting consenting to a search, I would never. But some of us do things differently when we get to wherever our recreational shooting spot is.
Personally, I keep several mags loaded out and ready to use because I don't want to waste precious time loading mags when I could be shooting.
As to why would they confiscate them? I don't know but then I never expected this BS to pass either, so I'm kinda on edge until the dust settles.

 

[ARFrog]

I'm also hoping they look at it a little more like Washington with the grandfathering aspect. We already know there is no good way to prove you owned certain mags at any specific date and you shouldn't have to be arrested and put through a court system to try to explain this to a non-gun-friendly judge and jury. They've just gone too far, plain and simple.

I not sure you want to go down the path of being "a little more like Washington." The thinking of I have got mine now with the implication that others in the future can somehow fight their own battles is a losing proposition. This needs to be resolved in such a way that current and future 2A participants are both suitably addressed and/or protected.

My guess is they don't want us in jail as much as they'd rather we pay the fines associated. I doubt they want to serve 3 meals a day to gun owners . Our money, on the other hand, they can't seem to get enough of.

It is more than just fines - even though those funds give the anti-2As more dollars to throw these things back in our faces. But is also likely a cumulative thing. Do you have to report your fine or misdemeanor on your CCW application? What about your gun purchasing background checks? What about your FSC application, etc, etc, etc.

These can all be cumulative ways to take away 2A rights and access.

 

[Librarian]

Thanks @Librarian...YOU Da MAN!

Nothing special - I just remembered what Tony Aiello posted and regurgitated.

I'm long retired - I have time for such.

 

[Savage Jav]

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I dunno, there seem to be spots on BLM land that says you can target shooting wherever these signs are, unlike the other signs of "UNSAFE TARGET SHOOTING AREA" or "NO TARGET SHOOTING BEYOND THIS POINT" or some such (and jerkwads almost always destroyed the UN part or the whole sign)

Interesting, because their website clearly states:

Programs: Recreation: Recreation Activities: Hunting, Fishing and Recreational Shooting: Oregon-Washington | Bureau of Land Management

Hunting and FishingPublic land managed by the BLM makes up 25 percent of the total acreage of Oregon and less than one percent of Washington with the majority of these lands open to anglers and hunters. Fishing and hunting is regulated by the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife and Washington...

www.blm.gov

I read it as it's allowed to shoot but their is no "designated shooting areas"

 

[CamoDeafie]

Interesting, because their website clearly states:

Programs: Recreation: Recreation Activities: Hunting, Fishing and Recreational Shooting: Oregon-Washington | Bureau of Land Management

Hunting and FishingPublic land managed by the BLM makes up 25 percent of the total acreage of Oregon and less than one percent of Washington with the majority of these lands open to anglers and hunters. Fishing and hunting is regulated by the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife and Washington...

www.blm.gov

I read it as it's allowed to shoot but their is no "designated shooting areas"

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few weeks, BLM closes Gooseneck Road BLM area to all target shooting for "wildfire risk", edit, if not all BLM properties throughout Oregon and Washington

 

[Savage Jav]

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few weeks, BLM closes Gooseneck Road BLM area to all target shooting for "wildfire risk", edit, if not all BLM properties throughout Oregon and Washington

The closing for wildfire risk is relatively common depending on the threat level but that's another good point.

 

[Jcon268]

I not sure you want to go down the path of being "a little more like Washington." The thinking of I have got mine now with the implication that others in the future can somehow fight their own battles is a losing proposition. This needs to be resolved in such a way that current and future 2A participants are both suitably addressed and/or protected.

I was referring specifically to how the Oregon Supreme Court might handle it. I want to be cautiously optimistic with them knowing who they were selected by and how their values tend to align with the backers of this bill.

 

[40nascar]

My guess is they don't want us in jail as much as they'd rather we pay the fines associated. I doubt they want to serve 3 meals a day to gun owners . Our money, on the other hand, they can't seem to get enough of.

Rat meatloaf isn't very expensive.

 

[1911Fanatic]

I not sure you want to go down the path of being "a little more like Washington." The thinking of I have got mine now with the implication that others in the future can somehow fight their own battles is a losing proposition. This needs to be resolved in such a way that current and future 2A participants are both suitably addressed and/or protected.


It is more than just fines - even though those funds give the anti-2As more dollars to throw these things back in our faces. But is also likely a cumulative thing. Do you have to report your fine or misdemeanor on your CCW application? What about your gun purchasing background checks? What about your FSC application, etc, etc, etc.

These can all be cumulative ways to take away 2A rights and access.

Well, for me, it's gonna wind up with standard capacity mags stay at home, and I will have 10 rounders for outside of the house. I also suggest buying cheap standard cap mags. I have ETS mags for the range. Some of them were as little as 5 dollars each. I consider them disposable anyway.

If one of those gets confiscated, I am out 5 to 7 bucks. I will comply with the law once it;s in effect. I don't want a misdemeanor or a felony on my record. I mean just look at Joshua Yoder. I don't want any of those kinds of problems. That;s not a fight I can afford.

As for concealed carry, it's either a 1911 or my revolver.

 

[Camelfilter]

Well, for me, it's gonna wind up with standard capacity mags stay at home, and I will have 10 rounders for outside of the house. I also suggest buying cheap standard cap mags. I have ETS mags for the range. Some of them were as little as 5 dollars each. I consider them disposable anyway.

If one of those gets confiscated, I am out 5 to 7 bucks. I will comply with the law once it;s in effect. I don't want a misdemeanor or a felony on my record. I mean just look at Joshua Yoder. I don't want any of those kinds of problems. That;s not a fight I can afford.

As for concealed carry, it's either a 1911 or my revolver.

I would wager that if someone's standard capacity magazines are confiscated, they would get charged. It would be a misdemeanor. Else, why the confiscation?

LEO don't just go around taking things...

 

[CamoDeafie]

I would wager that if someone's standard capacity magazines are confiscated, they would get charged. It would be a misdemeanor. Else, why the confiscation?

LEO don't just go around taking things...

Click to embiggen, screen shot from HB 3075 as introduced. Note "permanently and voluntarily relinquished", language.

 

[Savage Jav]

I would wager that if someone's standard capacity magazines are confiscated, they would get charged. It would be a misdemeanor. Else, why the confiscation?

LEO don't just go around taking things...

Isn't it an unlawful search if you do not give the officer permission to see your concealed firearm? I believe if they manipulate/ check the gun and did not have your permission it has to be thrown out as evidence. Obviously don't fight them but make it known you don't consent.


Edit: Assuming you are legally carrying and not breaking other laws.